George W. Bush is Right! Let’s Go Get ‘Em!
Shock and Awe! Bring ‘Em On! Yeah!! We’ve been doing the right thing; we just haven’t been doing enough of it. More troops. More sacrifices. More billions drained from our treasury. We’ll show ‘em.
Think of Humpty Dumpty. More horses, more men, and we got Humpty back together again.
This is what psychiatrists keep telling their patients. If you’re doing something that’s not working, keep doing the same thing over and over and over again. Eventually your prayers will be answered.
It’s just like Vietnam. In the early 1960s we sent a group of “advisors” to help the South Vietnamese government. When our advisors started getting attacked by North Vietnamese guerrillas, we sent a few troops over there to protect them. And then a few more troops, and some more, and then a lot more, and then a whole lot more…
And it worked! Thirteen years later we were outta there!
Hopefully, God willing, by the year 2016, if all goes according to plan…
posted by Tom Harper @ 7:48 PM
19 Comments:
If anybody was inspired by that speech they desperately need to get their meds updated. I don't know which is more tragic...the violence or the belief we can make this misadventure turn out all right.
J. Marquis: Yup, it's pretty tragic all the way around. Like the saying goes, "when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." Unfortunately, Bush is still digging.
you forgot
Mission Accomplished
So what, pull out?? That will make it worse (not to mention pump fuel to the terrorists). We need to stabilize that country but with the help of the government and then get out!
I just get all pissed off thinking about it. Do you think Bush has gone insane or do you think he's got some looney advisors?
Baxterwatch: Ah yes, Mission Accomplished. That was almost four years ago when he made that announcement, and we’ve sure had lots of accomplishments since then.
Alex: Sorry but we’ve been quagmired in Iraq for almost four years, and this was supposed to take “a few months at the most” according to Rumsfeld. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, we invaded the country under false pretenses and we have no business being there for any reason. Yes, if we pull out now there’ll be a bloodbath. If we wait 27 years and then pull out, there’ll be a bloodbath. Might as well get it over with now.
Rashenbo: Yes I think Bush is insane. So are his subordinates and so are his puppetmasters.
What was truly hilarious was switching from MSNBC to Fox News for the coverage after the speech.
All of the MSNBC analysts were talking about how bad of an idea this could be. Then I switched over to Fox News. The first words I heard were "This could really work."
Oh...My...God
Ryan: Fox, yeah that figures. Even some of the most rightwing Republicans (Hagel, Brownback) are against Bush's "surge" idea. But Fox News will always be there for him.
I guess Alex is a FOX-watcher. As far as the speech goes, what did he really say? "I was wrong before and even though the experts don't think it's a good idea, I'm going ahead so I can be wrong again."
Those Vietnam advisers also said the same thing the Pentagon said about Iraq during the first Gulf War...Don't stick around!
Erik
Has anybody missed the point that we were promised that once we rebuild the Iraq oil fields, some of the oil revenues would be used to pay us back ?
(now stop laughing I have more)
Except now we got them their own government and it doesn't even look like we will see a dime of this.
Erik
Kurt: Yup, that's pretty much what Bush was saying. "I'm in a hole, so I think I'll keep digging and see how much further down I can get."
Erik: And don't forget General MacArthur (I think it was him) after the Korean war, saying "never get involved in a land war in Asia." And we did, and look what happened.
And yes, the Iraqi war was supposed to pay for itself with all that oil revenue. Plus it would be a cakewalk and our troops would be greeted as liberators...
Kvatch: Yup, that will be the dialogue between Bush and Congress. I just hope Congress doesn't start caving in. Already, Joe Lieberman has decided not to ask Bush for documents about Katrinagate (and during the campaign he promised that he'd go after those documents).
So what, pull out?? That will make it worse (not to mention pump fuel to the terrorists). We need to stabilize that country but with the help of the government and then get out!
Right.... and if we didn't win in Vietnam, the "Domino Effect" was going to cause all of Asia to go Communist!
The simple fact of the matter is, the sooner we get out, the sooner they can get their bloodbath over with. All we are doing is putting speed bumps in the way and getting GIs killed. For nothing, because nothing is going to change.
It amazes me that people think a measley 150,000 soldiers can have any real effect at all in Iraq.
Re: Kurt: Yup, that's pretty much what Bush was saying. "I'm in a hole, so I think I'll keep digging and see how much further down I can get."
He's hoping he'll hit the oil himself ;)
I caught the deer in the headlights live.
What a speech.
He has given the whole world the perfect example of what a failed leader looks like up close and personal..
Jolly Roger: Yup, that was the big scary bugaboo all during Vietnam. If South Vietnam fell, all the neighboring countries would fall like dominoes, all of Asia would become Communist, and then America would be next. And if we pulled out of Vietnam there’d be a bloodbath. Funny how the same slogans keep getting recycled.
Ryan: LOL, that’s probably just what Bush is hoping for.
Mike: Yeah, I saw his speech too. He definitely had that deer-in-the-headlights look. He looked like he was explaining to his boss why he was late for work again, or why he was two weeks behind on a project. It was sort of fun watching him squirm and twist.
From what I saw of Dumbya's speech, he looked like he was about to have massive diarrhea in his drawers out of sheer fright. What a tool...
You can beat a dead horse for a while, and you can beat it again with the same stick, or even with a different stick, but it's still the same dead horse. I guess Bush is just to stupid or stubborn to realize the horse is dead and we need to bury it.
On Air America, a pundit said she was pissed about hearing Republicans saying to Democrats "Oh yeah? Well what's YOUR plan?" Her response was "So, since when has pulling out the troops not been a plan?"
At this point I would say let's set a deadline in place, to motivate the Iraqis. Major was saying this over at his blog. I agree with him that this may well be the only thing useful in getting the Iraqis to step up their effort. If we set a deadline for say, June 1 to start withdrawing troops and stuck with it regardless, that should give us plenty of time to see if our continued presence there will actually do any good, and to see if the Iraqis are actually going to do anything to get their own house in order. I rather suspect we will just see more U.S. and Iraqi casualties along with continued religious infighting and more chaos, leading 99% of Americans to the obvious conclusion that it isn't worth it to keep large numbers of our troops in Iraq. Let the troops come home, let the military rebuild itself a bit, and then let's not let a lunatic who is hell-bent on destruction be the Commander-In-Chief again in the future... ever again! Let alone giving such a lunatic the keys to our nuclear arsenal, ever again.
As Major also said in a comment on my blog, two years is too much time for Dumbya to mess things up even more. Too much history to accomplish, and not enough time left to do it all!
If Dumbya decides to start up some bombing campaigns in Iran and Syria, will our leaders in the Pentagon be smart enough to temporarily take control of our government? How many more "Captain Queeg" moments will we have to endure with Bush before the crew of the Caine decides to mutiny against the captain? That may be the only way he will be removable from office... I wish he could be legally removed from office somehow before he starts WWIII, anyway, because that seems to be what he is hellbent on doing.
Snave: Yeah, Bush sure had that deer-caught-in-the-headlights look. His arrogance, cockiness and swagger were replaced by fear and embarrassment. It was very refreshing.
I too have a problem with the Republican refrain of "OK, what's YOUR solution?" It was the wingnuts who got us into this quagmire. Our solution was to not invade a sovereign nation that wasn't a threat to us. And now the solution is to pull out. If that causes a bloodbath now, it'll cause a bloodbath 20 years from now. Might as well get it over with.
If Bush tries to expand this war to include Iran and/or Syria, I sure hope Congress will have enough spine to say no.
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