Who Hijacked Our Country

Monday, October 29, 2007

An America-Hating Flagburner Said This

A local bookstore had these quotations displayed in their front window today:

"A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people.

All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree.

America was indebted to immigration for her settlement and prosperity. That part of America which had encouraged them most had advanced most rapidly in population, agriculture and the arts.

And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

Each generation should be made to bear the burden of its own wars, instead of carrying them on, at the expense of other generations.

I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

Of all the enemies of public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.

The executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war.

The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.

War should only be declared by the authority of the people, whose toils and treasures are to support its burdens, instead of the government which is to reap its fruits.

Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Government.

Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect.

In no instance have the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."

All right now, enough of this blasphemy! Who's the whiny treehugger? (These quotes are all from the same person.) To find out, click on Comments.


Blogger Tom Harper said...

The flagburning moonbat was none other than James Madison.

October 29, 2007 at 11:25 PM  
Blogger LET'S TALK said...

One thing I can say here is, our constitution was put together as to spread the power of the three branches and no one man could declare a war because of his, or her religious belief, or corporate influence, nor a bunch of friends belonging to and organization that for whatever reason wanted to declare war on another country.

Our House gave up their constitutional right and they have the power to take it back.

We keep forgetting that no President orders supercedes Congress authority to go to war and pay for such a war.

We can wave the flags or burn the flag... the answer for all this is, the constitution that has been torn, not followed and used as toilet paper by some when it did not suit their needs and of course used as well by the same people when trying to justify their needs.

All rights have been put on hold, in its place is lies and fear to archive one mans purpose, whatever that is.

October 29, 2007 at 11:46 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Let's Talk: Good comment. Our government sure has mutated lately. Our Founding Fathers must be turning in their graves.

October 30, 2007 at 12:50 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

Is it me, or have the wingnuts running for Emperor, er, President, taken to invoking the founding fathers a LOT less than before? I'll admit that I tend not to watch the debates. I certainly don't think that they're afraid of Joe and Jane Sixpack cracking open their copy of The Federalist Papers to see, but it's as if they've realized that they would NOT agree with the modern Republican views on government.

October 30, 2007 at 4:46 AM  
Blogger Candace said...

Our last declared war was WWII, wasn't it?

Has anyone tried to burn down the bookstore yet, Tom? It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

(I thought the flag-burning moonbat was Jefferson at first - thanks for the info!)

October 30, 2007 at 7:09 AM  
Blogger Miss Kitty said...

I was about to say Thomas Jefferson. Love what he had to say about organized religion.

Good post, Tom. Indeed, Madison, Jefferson, Tom Paine, and all the rest are spinning in their graves.

October 30, 2007 at 8:52 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Randal: Nah, they don't need no steenking founding fathers. They have their multi-million dollar super-calibrated smear machine. Anyone who disagrees with them "hates America" or is "soft on (fill in the blank)." The founding fathers don't stand a chance.

Candace: Yup, I'm pretty sure WWII was our last declared war. I don't know much about the Korean War, but Vietnam and every war since then was inspired by a corporate-manufactured paranoia (communism, terrorism, etc.).

As far as I know this bookstore owner hasn't been vandalized or anything. He puts some pretty blunt sayings in his window, but he's at his most blunt when he's blasting the city government, whom everybody hates. I think even people who disagree with him about Bush or Iraq like him for dissing the city council.

Miss Kitty: Thanks. Yup, I bet the Pat Robertsons and James Dobsons are just seething when they read quotes like that.

October 30, 2007 at 11:17 AM  
Blogger anna said...

Our government is so far off from what our founding father's wanted that I'm sure they wouldn't recongnize it.

October 30, 2007 at 11:34 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Anna: You're right; I think they'd be shocked and nauseated if they saw what their country has deteriorated into.

October 30, 2007 at 11:38 AM  
Blogger Praguetwin said...

James Madison! Traitor!!!!

October 30, 2007 at 1:21 PM  
Blogger Kitchen Window Woman said...

Thank you for this one! I copied and printed the quotes to have on hand. My husband and I have been rereading the Constitution and as a result have ordered 20 pocket Constitutions from

Our youngest son and his friend have shown an interest in the principles upon which our Democracy is based so we will gift them both with a copy. The rest we will give to folks who want to refresh their knowledge, misquote or misunderstand, are young and didn't pay attention, or those who know nothing at all. We figure that we can engage people in conversations and maybe impress upon them the importance of taking an active part in their government. We have also been using protest signs that focus on the Constitution.

Anyway, its worth a try and I figure we've got to try everything.

What a wonderful bookstore! I take it it is not a Borders.

October 30, 2007 at 1:39 PM  
Blogger Mauigirl said...

Great post, Tom. I was guessing Jefferson too, but am not surprised it was one of the other "founding fathers."

I believe Korea was another of those phony wars as well...they called it a "police action." So no declaration was ever made.

October 30, 2007 at 3:01 PM  
Blogger Snave said...

James Madison? What a HIPPIE! HE must have spent time at Jefferson's plantation smoking too much hemp. Between them, they probably had a number of great pipe dreams that helped generate what we have today. Just think, our country derived from dope dreams! No wonder we need to scrap the Constitution and fix things up real good!! Hyuck hyuck!

Sorry about that, but man...

That bookstore wouldn't happen to be PB&News, would it?

October 30, 2007 at 3:23 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Prague Twin: Yeah, what a moonbat.

KWW: I'm glad you're doing that with those Pocket Constitutions. Everybody needs to learn, or be reminded, of how far we've strayed from the founding fathers' original intent.

No, the bookstore is just a local guy; not Borders or any other franchise. That's the trouble with franchises. They won't even sell a controversial book, let alone put inflammatory quotations in the window.

Mauigirl: Thanks. I probably would have guessed Jefferson too; he's the most famous for quotes like that.

That makes sense about the Korean War. I think most of America's global policing has its roots in the immediate post-WWII period.

Snave: Yeah, those damn potheads. No wonder decent Republicans are trying to veer as far away from them as possible.

Yup, Port Book & News, that's the place. The local rednecks probably don't like him, but I don't know what other choice they have. The only other bookstore, Odessey, isn't political, but it's much more bohemian. Just walking in the store feels like you're in Berkeley or North Beach. And there aren't any franchise bookstores around here that I know of.

October 30, 2007 at 3:46 PM  
Blogger PoliShifter said...

It never ceases to amaze me how much the right has distorted the view of 'what America is' and what 'true Americans' are.

They've created this view of America that is fictional and only exists in John Wayne movies.

We used to be land of the free home of the brave. Now we're all just a bunch of chickenshits beggin for Bush to check under our beds before we go nighty night.

Some more true Americans:

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - President Eisenhower

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." - President Eisenhower

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

"Beware of Foreign Entanglements" - George Washington

October 30, 2007 at 4:24 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

PoliShifter: Yeah, the Right sure has twisted and perverted everything that our founders stood for. They've created this totally fictitious archetype that only exists, like you said, in John Wayne movies.

Your quotes from Eisenhower show how far we've deteriorated in just 50 years.

October 30, 2007 at 6:44 PM  
Blogger Larry said...

Madison wouldn't make it in this day and time.

October 31, 2007 at 3:26 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Larry: If James Madison appeared today, he'd be shipped off to Gitmo along with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and all the rest of those commies.

October 31, 2007 at 11:07 AM  
Blogger Ronald 'More-More' Moshki said...

America was indebted to immigration for her settlement and prosperity. That part of America which had encouraged them most had advanced most rapidly in population, agriculture and the arts.
As we became a nation of 350,000,000+, we became chaos, which is the way those who get to the top want it. You know, "controlled insanity."

So, the FF would be unable to cope if they came back; they'd be basket cases. They had no concept of "immigration as WE know it."

It's what Chillary and Rudi and all the rest of them love: 'Immigration today, immigration tomorrow and immigration forever'.

October 31, 2007 at 9:09 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Ronald: I'm pretty much in between on the whole immigration issue. Madison's quote on immigration was part of the local store owner's list of quotes that I mentioned, so I included it in the post. Since I'm in between and see both (or all) sides of the immigration issue, I can agree with both Madison's quote and your comment. It's a serious issue and I have no solution.

October 31, 2007 at 10:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always had a love/hate feeling about the founding fathers like Madison;

Rich Slave owners who made sure that only landowners could vote and talked about freedom and Liberty. Thinking nothing of wiping Indians out when they got in the way. Talking about separating church and state but referring to this country and land was "god given"

It was almost like "Do as we say and not what we do" I always wondered if they were just setting the seed for better reforms to come as long as they didn't have to handle it? They had to know that sometime in the future someone would take their writings to task.

Liberals look at what they wrote
Conservatives counter with how they lived.

And that's why we're in this mess today.


November 1, 2007 at 12:12 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Erik: True, but the founders were a product of their times. The "conventional wisdom" of that period was that slaves (and women too, for that matter) didn't count; they weren't really people.

Also, most of the founding fathers would probably be Libertarians if they came back today. They'd be appalled at the Patriot Act and all of America's warmongering of the past century, but they'd also do away with every government program that was invented during the 1930s and afterward. It would be a double-edge sword.

November 1, 2007 at 7:48 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

NOTE: I'll be on the road for the next few days. I hope you'll keep commenting, but it might take awhile for me to get a chance to publish comments. I don't have a laptop or anything so I'll just have to check e-mail whenever I can.

November 1, 2007 at 7:51 AM  
Blogger anna said...

I'm with Tom on the no solution comment. And what anonymous said makes sense too.

It's sensible for me to believe that history is full of mistakes that the present should learn from.

But I guess it depends on who "the decider" is.

November 1, 2007 at 7:52 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Anna: That's very true; that history is full of mistakes that we could learn from. It's too bad our current "decider" is such a slow learner.

OK, now I'm actually leaving. I'm going to pull myself away from the computer, step back, turn it off, unplug it, and go out blinking into the sunlight...I can do it...

November 1, 2007 at 8:00 AM  
Blogger Ronald 'More-More' Moshki said...

It's really the one issue on which the Left and Right agree, Tom.

The Right loves the immigrants who work jobs for them; the Left loves them for that reason and because of their virulent reverse-racism.

The rapes and murders these third-worlders commit should be the prevailing factor
but not even the families of the
victims are being heard.

November 2, 2007 at 3:18 PM  
Blogger Candace said...

Hey Tom, you won! (see mah blog) :)

November 10, 2007 at 6:23 AM  
Anonymous Tom Harper said...

Candace: Thanks. I'm honored. I'll be back from vacation in 2-3 days and I'll be ready for more posting and Bush-bashing.

November 10, 2007 at 1:46 PM  

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