North Korea Needs to be DISCIPLINED, Not CODDLED!
It’s bad enough we have the wimpiest president in our nation’s history. Now we have the wimpiest (and most loose-moraled) ex-president visiting our Enemy and getting all touchy-feely with them. That’s appeasement!
When one of those primitive Third World countries steps out of line, you don’t REWARD them for their bad behavior. You need to be FIRM. “That’s bad. Bad! Put your nose in it! Smell that?? That’s bad! Bad boy!!!”
Now see how simple that was? Damn, this commie Kenyan-born president of ours is just ruining everything. If only John Bolton were still running things — he’d show these pansies how it’s done.
Bill Clinton has traveled to North Korea to win the release of two American journalists, Laura Ling and Euna Lee. Last March they were arrested by the North Korean government. In June they were sentenced to twelve years in prison.
Bolton snorted: “
The world needs to have a strong leader — a father figure, if you will, who will tell all those other countries what’s what, and make everybody toe the line. Everything was so much simpler when John Bolton was running the United Nations.
cross-posted at Bring It On!
Labels: Bill Clinton North Korea, Euna Lee, John Bolton, Laura Ling
posted by Tom Harper @ 12:31 PM
18 Comments:
Yes indeed, when Bolton was in charge it was a kinder, gentler sort of time... !
Seems there is a mighty large amount of cognitive dissonance going on here. Bolton and all the other knuckleheads ought to be glad Clinton was able to win the journalists' release! Everyone in the world should be glad, and I suspect that what Clinton did was no small feat.
Instead they will find a way to be critical of ANYTHING decent that happens under Obama's watch, and try to twist EVERYTHING decent that does happen around as a way to inflame the mindless rightwing 'bot-hordes.
They sure seem to think they have momentum at this point, don't they. Do they, really? Or are they just increasingly becoming a self-caricature?
LOL, Tom - I love your sarcasm:)
And I had to be impressed. What time did Clinton get there today, 10 am.? And it took him what, 2 hours to talk Kim Jong Il into letting those women walk? Gee, and when noone has been able to talk that North Korean wackadoo into anything. Hilary is probably going "WTF?? How the hell did he do that so fast??"
The following is a list of diplomatic achievements made by John Bolten during his tenure as US ambassador to the UN:
the lesson is: If you don't know how to use to diplomacy, you have no business being a diplomat.
Tom - We all know that Bill Clinton didn't wake up this morning and say to himself: Hmm, I think I'll take me a plane, and go rescue two young journalists. There was a lot of White House, State Dept., and Pentagon input.
W. is ex-president too, can you imagine that dipshit doing what Clinton did, without a military escort? What a prize hostage Bill would have made for Kim Jong Il. Lets next forget they were in the "Axis of Evil" speech. The North Korean decision makers are desperately looking for a way to join the international community without losing face. Face is very important to Asian cultures. They can lose gracefully, but without being humiliated. As you suggested, Bolton was a"rub-your-face-in-it" type of guy. They don't like that.
The North Koreans have pretty cruel and stupid over the years, but I sense, with Obama in power, they see a chance to come clean. The events of today prove something.
Damn, we just threw away a perfectly good reason to invade yet another country!
Seriously, I'm really happy Bill was able to get those gals out. He deserves a big thank you.
I think Bolton's point is that if you hand over or give up things to appease Kim Jong Il and those like him, you encourage them to do more outrageous things, like jail more reporters, or whoever, on bogus charges.
Being a bonehead, Bolton doesn't realize Kim will do pretty much whatever he wants regardless. The difference is that, now, two innocent young women are free and returning to their families.
Being a bonehead, Bolton doesn't understand that not all quid-pro-quo deals with tinpot dictators are the same. Providing a photo op with an ex U.S. president doesn't equate with, say, letting Kim's troops move the border 60 miles south into South Korea. Letting that get by would be a horrible mistake.
HAHAHAHAHA..... I just got done commenting "elsewhere" that the Rushpublicans will have their panties in a twist because nobody got shot to pieces :)
That was me, BTW.... but in all seriousness, "conservatism" is a mental disorder, with sadism as one of the more readily identifiable traits. These scums don't like happy endings (except at their whorehouse of choice.)
It's a good thing McCain wasn't in office or they'd be serving out their 10 years of hard labor for sure.
Isn't it amazing that even when there is a successful mission where no one got hurt and nothing was given away that the whiners will STILL look for a way to make it a negative event.
Jeez!
Bolton is simply insecure. His moustache has been living in the shadow of Nietzsche's soup strainer for years.
Snave: These wingnuts will find something negative in everything. When they were little, they probably kicked and screamed on Christmas morning because their new sleds and tricycles weren't shiny enough.
Bee: That really was an impressive feat Clinton did. Try to picture McCain or anyone in Dumbya's administration pulling off something like that.
Lew: That's quite a list of achievements :)
Holte: You're right, Dumbya wouldn't try anything like that. If anything, he'd go in after the fact, wearing his flight suit and holding up a Mission Accomplished sign.
Good point, that this was a way for North Korea to save face.
J: Damn, another country we could be occupying. And North Korea was behind 9/11; most of the 9/11 hijackers were North Korean.
SW: This was a good balance of firmness and diplomacy. Definitely something Bolton and his ilk wouldn't understand.
JR: That's probably exactly why the wingnuts have their panties in a twist. Nobody got killed and we don't have an excuse to invade North Korea. Damn it!
Demeur: McCain would probably think "I was a POW. They can handle it. Tell them to suck it up."
Rockync: It's amazing how they can see the glass as half empty no matter what happens.
Randal: So that explains it.
The Right Wing is still pissed since Jessie Jackson negotiated the release of the downed American Pilots from the Syrians
Erik
Erik: And I think during the Vietnam War, Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden won the release of two or three American POWs when they went to Vietnam. I don't remember the details but I'm pretty sure that's the case.
Ah John Bolton. The man who hated the UN and I suspect wore a really bad rug.
This was a wonderful end to an ordeal that could have ended in a a very ugly way.
Diplomacy is not appeasement. This is something the right has yet to grasp. Appeaaement would be giving them plans on nuclear weapons sytems or striking some sort of arms deal. We got them back peacefully and I'm happy for that.
Bolton's a fucking dunce, and so is anyone who thinks negotiations are wrong.
How the fuck can anyone say negotiating the release of prisoners of another country's government isn't smart?
What are we supposed to do, let 'em languish until the gov't has a change of fucking heart.
Besides, if you don't negotiate (i.e., reason, talk, etc.) with people, how the fuck are you supposed to know what you need to do to make them stop doing what they're doing?
What Kim Jong Il actually said was, "Send somebody sexy to negotiate." We send Bill Clinton, but Kim--whose eyesight is none too good after his stroke--didn't notice.
Ricardo: That's the trouble with the Right -- they can't grasp the difference between diplomacy and appeasement. This was a potential tragedy that ended well. The wingnuts should shut the fuck up.
Carlos: According to the wingnuts, I guess we should have let those 2 reporters rot in a North Korean prison so conservatives could make a point and prove themselves "right."
Kvatch: LOL. Next time we can send Sarah Palin to North Korea and see how that works.
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