Afghanistan: Obama’s Waterloo
And this is from a Democrat. Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D—NY) said:
“I think that this war, if it goes on and if it escalates, has the potential to destroy this presidency and to destroy the Democratic majorities in Congress.”
As far as his timing goes (i.e. the November election coming up), he said:
“When you’re dealing with war and peace you can’t think of it in those terms. People are dying. The security of our country, the honor of our country, the lives of our men and women, the lives of foreign men and women — are at stake. And that’s a lot more important, frankly, than partisan advantage…I got into politics opposing a president of my party — a president who was very good in most other respects — over the Vietnam war.”
I just had a troubling image: It’s Spring of 2012. The War in Afghanistan has escalated beyond anything we ever imagined. And as always, there’s light at the end of the tunnel. Obama is giving a televised speech, which begins with: “I do not seek, and I will not accept…”
So, what’s Obama to do? Should he set a withdrawal timetable and follow it? Should we pull all of our troops out of there yesterday?
What say you?
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posted by Tom Harper @ 10:32 PM
11 Comments:
I say get all the way the fuck out of the Middle East. That's why they fucking hate us to begin with - We never got the fuck out after kicking Iraq's ass in Desert Storm.
If we got out, and used a fraction of the billions of dollars a month we're spending over there, and applied it toward securing our ports and borders; and fixing immigration laws, we'd be much, much safer than we are now - "fighting them over there," which is a sham of a fucking philosophy.
"They" don't want us there, and we have no business over there. We've got a mobile military with a global reach - we don't need to have combat assets anywhere in a day or two.
What happened to speaking softly and carrying a big stick?
Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
- Vizzini
Yesterday would not be soon enough.
" President Obama has asserted the authority to kill you at any time, anywhere in the world, if he personally decides that you're a terrorist — and you will never have any recourse to challenge that decision. The Supreme Court has granted the Obama administration the authority to unilaterally declare any group a "terrorist" organization and thus anyone who does anyone to help them is automatically guilty of providing "material support" to terrorism — even including facilitating legal speech by that group.
You have no right or ability to challenge such a decision. Such policies are nothing if not arbitrary and they make a sham out of any pretense that you're protected by an impartial judiciary."
He'd better pull them out soon,he's going to need them here.
Obama will have his Lyndon Johnson moment when he has to decide in favor a 2nd term or more fruitless war in Afghanistan.
But Obama's already said on national TV that he'll be happy to be a one-term President, so where's the confusion coming from?
He'll do as he's told.
Please, this may sound harsh, but we're in the midst of catastrophic times like no other in recent memory (although we've certainly had our share considering WW2 and Korea), and someone's worrying about Obama's chances of reelection?
He lost those when he went with Geithner and Summers as his Rubinesque advisors on the economy.
He surely knew the tenuousness of it all then. The Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq which are costing trillions? Piffle!
S
So, what’s Obama to do? Should he set a withdrawal timetable and follow it? Should we pull all of our troops out of there yesterday?
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If Obama wants to end the war, he will be accused of "cut and run". If he stays, he will be called out for failing to win.
If the Republicans retake the white house, we will stay the course until "victory".
Either way it’s permanent war.
"When you get into trouble five thousand miles from home you’ve got to have been looking for it." – Will Rogers
Out. Damned if you do...damned if you don't. So, save some bucks and get the fuck out.
We can really kill all the Taliban (and leave it a wasteland), we can put in a new Government.
Don't expect them to act any way different from how they've been acting for the last 2000 years
Erik
Every bomb we drop, every life we dehumanize as collateral damage weakens our footing on the high road to moral superiority.
Our objective of removing the Taleban from their position of power has been eliminated, the opium poppies are back in bloom, we should just declare a victory and negotiate with whatever government is left there to build the pipeline that was the original reason for our invasion. (Unless you want to count 9/11, but we had been telling our allies of our intentions in Afghanistan as far back as March 2001, six months before that catastrophic day).
We should not waste another bullet, another dollar, another piece of military equipment, and most important of all, another human life in that country in an illegal and immoral war.
Obama's not changed course on this, hell he ran on it. He's doing exactly what he said he would do. I voted for him in hopes he would see the light.
So far he has not.
You have to figure, if the republicans are in favor of this War, you no it's a bad thing.
Get out now, stop pretending were Britain and bring our good people home.
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