Republicans: “Dammit, We Wanna Torture Us Some Ay-rabs!”
Eric Holder, unlike his sleazewipe predecessor, actually gave clear honest answers to the questions thrown at him by Republicans. Unfortunately one of his answers was the wrong one.
Waterboarding is torture??? Saying that to a Republican is like telling a junkie that drugs are evil; or telling Pat Robertson that there’s no god and religion is just a crutch.
The Republican fixation with torture is kind of like that dialogue from Blazing Saddles:
“You mentioned ‘rape’ twice.”
“I like rape.”
Since Eric Holder failed to give the Correct Answer, Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee have blocked the vote on his confirmation as Attorney General. They need “more time.” More time for WHAT???
That’s the same “logic” that drug warriors have been using to justify marijuana laws. We need to keep locking people up for 30 years for possession of marijuana because “we don’t know enough about it.” “We need to conduct more studies, more tests.”
Maybe these fixated Republican senators could just rent or download a few juicy torture videos and get themselves off at home. And then the rest of us can get on with the task of digging out from our 8-year disaster.
cross-posted at Bring It On!
posted by Tom Harper @ 3:28 PM
16 Comments:
And Obama just released abortion funds for international aide. Watch the Republicans snarl and rage!
Maybe if a few Repuks got waterboarded, they would change their mind. But torture for them is the fall in gas prices.
When it comes to stuff like this, screw the "reaching across the aisle" - let'em hang themselves with the waterboarding garbage. It boggles my mind how the republicans just truly don't seem to GET IT why they were booted en masse.
It's about the fear that once he calls it torture, he will prosecute those who gave the orders to torture. From what I saw in the hearing, Holder hinted he won't go after Rumsfeld and Cheney and anyone else who broke the law, saying Obama wants to look forward rather than backwards, but I think it was delayed because the criminals need more than code words. They want to know for certain they got away with it.
They are all getting a vicarious thrill from what happened to those smelly brown heathens at Gitmo. I've said it before, and I'm saying it again, because I BELIEVE it. These are some seriously sick, warped people. But they just loves them some Jesus!
Typical. I'm not sure I get those idiots. I work with a few; one of them claims to be a Christian. He claims that, not only should the Guantanamo prisoners be tortured, they should be executed. Of course, he's pro-life when it comes to abortion. The thought processes of these fucking cretins is astounding and unfathomable.
I say if Holder won't prosecute torture advocates from the Bush administration he shouldn't be confirmed. All crime happens in the past, rape, murder, and theft are all crimes of the past,(and all have been perpetrated by the Bush administration) and in no way can we justify overlooking some crimes because of a need to move forward. That is not justice.
When you look forward, whomever is behind you can easily shoot you in the back. Plus, since Jesus likes punishment, we should. Amen.
Enemy: What’s this evil abortion you speak of? I just knew that godless Obama would pander to those immoral baby-killers : )
“Torture for them is the fall in gas prices.” LOL. Too true.
Bee: There’s a time to “reach across the aisle” but this ain’t it. Any moderate Republicans are welcome to reach across the aisle and become part of the solution, for once. The wingnuts can twist in the wind.
PITS: I think that’s exactly what they’re afraid of — if waterboarding (or cattleprodding, etc.) is torture, then the “leaders” who authorized it might be prosecuted.
JR: No doubt, the wingtards are enjoying the shit out of having some swarthy bastard get waterboarded. After all, that’s what Jesus would do.
Carlos: Those people’s thought processes (using the term loosely) are indeed a mystery. Maybe there’ll be a documentary about them someday on PBS or the Discovery Channel.
Lew: Excellent point. True, all crime is in the past. If I ever commit a heinous crime, my defense will be “Aw, come on, that’s in the past. Let’s move forward now.”
Randal: Yes, Jesus said it best: “Thou Shalt Waterboard.”
I have to laugh at the thought that Jesus would approve of waterboarding as long as the victim is swarthy enough. Despite the "typical" portrait of Jesus with blond hair and blue eyes, all indications are that he was about as swarthy as they come. Interesting how well the Christians have compartmentalized that so that swarthy can now mean "terrorist".
Anonymous: Jesus was swarthy? Blasphemy! My undying faith tells me that he had blond hair and blue eyes. He also had short hair and wore a 3-piece suit. So there.
People in the Sun has it right. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., put a hold on Holder's appointment.
As someone on one of the Air America shows this week (Ron Reagan's, I think) said, the danger is that Specter and other Republicans on the Judiciary Committee are angling for behind-the-scenes assurance that Holder won't go after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others. Given Obama's strong desire to get past partisan warfare, Republicans might well get that assurance.
I understand the desire to get past constant partisan tit-for-tat, but the rule of law is more important. So is setting a precedent that even former presidents and VP's aren't above and beyond the law.
Re: Jesus. As a christian, I have no problem accepting that Jesus was dark of skin, probably had black or dark brown hair and was a Jew.
Re: Carlos' co-worker, christian is as christian does, IMO.
SW: I think that's exactly what the Republicans are angling for -- assurances that Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld won't be prosecuted. And I agree that this precedent can't be set.
I'm all in favor of "moving forward" and not wallowing in the past, or "wallowing in Watergate" as Nixon used to call it. But the legal process MUST be allowed to run its course, whatever the end result may be.
And as Lew put it, all crime is from the past. Somehow, I don't picture too many prosecuting attorneys saying "aw heck, that's all water under the bridge now; let's move forward."
Well they're bringing out that some of those already released have gone back to become terrorist leaders but I look at it this way - since they were never charged - therefore never proven if they were with terrorist or not.
If I had done to me what was done to me, I would become a terrorist too - even if I never been one before.
BTW I can't wait to see what happens when a popular music group ala Dixie Chicks denounces Obama in a concert. Anybody want to take bets on how many radio stations with boycott them and burn their CD's?
Erik
Erik: There's always the risk that when a criminal or suspect is released, he'll go out and commit more crimes. It's unfortunate, but what else can we do? And like you said, we've created more terrorists than we've ever killed or arrested, by alienating millions of people.
But gee, Pat Robertson... those things are TRUE! 8-) Just kidding.
Good for Holder.
I think there is something to the idea that some of the crook-ish types are afraid that Holder might go after them for past misdeeds. There is also that great lot of fear being generated, justified or not, that once the Gitmo detainees are sent elsewhere who knows if they will stay incarcerated... or be let loose to lead fanatics in doing unspeakable things?
I almost think some of these kooky Republicans ARE HOPING some of the Guatanamo detainees come back to lead some kind of terrorist attack on America once they're freed. Boy, wouldn't that be a great media opportunity for an indictment of the left and an advertising opportunity for the GOP? You want proof the Democrats are weak on defense? That would be your proof, by golly!!
We have too many people who think like Carlos' friend in high places in our government. Like Lou Reed correctly sang twenty years or so ago, "No age of reason is landing upon us... this is the age of Video Violence..." (That's a great song worth checking out, by the way!)
The idea of Republican pols getting off at home to torture videos is pretty repulsive, Tom. But that's o.k., I like repulsive stuff! 8-)
Snave: I think you're right -- conservatives really are hoping that some of these released Gitmo prisoners will commit terrorist attacks, just so they can yell "See! We warned you, but NOOOO! Are you happy now????"
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