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Sunday, October 25, 2009

Still More Republican Lies About Health Care Reform

Every time the Republicans recite the bullshit their HMO puppetmasters tell them to recite, the lie gets refuted over and over. And like a cat that keeps jumping up on the table no matter how many times you push him off, the Republicans keep coming back with more intelligence-insulting lies to the American people. Is anybody still listening?

Yesterday’s weekly GOP radio/internet address was delivered by Republican Nebraska Sen. Mike Johanns. His health insurance johns instructed their prostitute to keep spewing out their same old talking points, and Senator Johanns performed his assigned task as ordered.

If repeated lies could be physically transformed into fecal matter, Senator Johanns’ mouth would look like a whale with explosive diarrhea.

“To the factory worker, who has forgone pay raises for the promise of better insurance benefits for you and your family: your health insurance will be taxed and your premiums will go up.”

“To the recent college graduate burdened with student loans: you'll be forced to buy health insurance the government mandates, and if you refuse, you'll be hit with a penalty.”

“To our seniors, who wish to receive care in the comfort of their homes: funding for hospice care and home health care services would be cut.”

First of all, if you actually believe the Republican Party gives a flying fuck about factory workers, senior citizens or recent college graduates (unless they’re MBAs on their way to Wall Street) — I can get you a great deal on some oceanfront property in Kansas.

And who exactly still listens to the GOP weekly address? Does their audience include ANYBODY whose parents aren’t first cousins???

Uh oh, Senator Johanns forgot to mention Death Panels, and the thousands of Canadian citizens who are dying on the Emergency Room floor every week while they wait and wait and wait for some faceless socialist bureaucrat to help them.

Maybe the most blatant Republican lies are being quietly taken out of circulation. But they keep coming up with new ones, and there's always a new battalion of inbreds who will believe them.

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Blogger Holte Ender said...

I'm sure not many people listen to, either the GOP or Obama's weekly address, but it gets out there through other media.

New lies, old lies, all boils down to lies, something that seems to come natural to the GOP, practice makes perfect and they are getting plenty of practice. The party of fear is certainly excelling itself this year.

October 25, 2009 at 6:03 AM  
Blogger jadedj said...

Living in Nebraska, I am not at all surprised at this dickwad's lies. I expect it from him, but even more infuriating is Ben Nelson, the Democratic senator from NE. He sleeps in the same corporate bed as Jokehanns and I VOTED FOR HIM!

October 25, 2009 at 7:55 AM  
Blogger Lew Scannon said...

Republicans like to use scare tactics, because long after the lie has been refuted, the fear still remains.

October 25, 2009 at 8:31 AM  
Anonymous Barry Mcgee said...

It's sad to see a the Republican party stoop so low as to create lies and scare tactics to turn people away from causes that are genuinely admirable.

October 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM  
Anonymous Mark E. Gillarq said...

Really, Republicans like to use scare tactics? I loved Obama's speech on health care. He started it out by complaining about Republican scare tactics and then closed by saying if we don't pass health care reform, families will go bankrupt and people will die. Well so much for not using scare tactics Mr. President.

This letter from Lord Christopher Monckton will give you some insight
into what America will be like if we
pass this ridiculous bill and Obama signs it.


October 25, 2009 at 1:49 PM  
Blogger J. Marquis said...

It's the most unbelievable kind of hypocrisy for the GOP to use a factory worker in one of their diatribes. They've done nothing but ship jobs overseas, bust unions and implement hostile takeover legislation the past thirty years.

October 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Holte: I think that's true, most of those speeches filter down to the public through the Internet. Yes, the GOP has gotten plenty of practice with lying and distorting; and practice makes perfect.

jadedj: In a lot of ways the Blue Dog "moderate" Democrats are even more infuriating than Republicans. You expect this from Republicans. Generally I'm glad that Democrats don't march in lockstep like Republicans do. But for passing health care reform, they really need to pull together.

Lew: Yup, fear will be their legacy.

Barry: You're right, it's sad to see how low they can stoop.

Mark: Hey, cool site you've got there. I clicked on the "Donate to Sarah Palin" button. I want her to have a brand new helicopter that she can shoot wolves and moose from.

J: Yeah, I couldn't believe that either. That's about as credible as Pat Robertson saying "but that wouldn't be fair to the gay community."

October 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM  
Anonymous Bee said...

Looky there, Tom's got another right-wing stalker (assuming it's not Lisa in drag)! Good job, Tom, you must be getting under their skin:)

Mark Gillarq: You damned fool, bankruptcy and 45,000 people dying a year for lack of healthcare is already happening. He wasn't trying to scare people with prophecy - it's already true.

Oh, and a "horror letter" of how terrible the British system is, in a "letter" format, allegedly from a conservative "Lord" who couldn't get himself elected to parliament? Oh, and this boob doesn't "believe" in global warming, either, so he's clearly a nutter. Can't you do better than that?

October 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Bee: Good point. Obama is "scaring" people about what's already been happening, not some farfetched scenario that might happen "if..."

And they're still trying to scare us about that horrible health care system in England. Gee, I guess we should stick to our tried and true free enterprise approach to health, since that's been working so well for us.

October 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Why wouldn't Republicans go on lying? It has worked wonderfully for them in the past. Examples: Willie Horton, Max Cleland as soft on al Qaeda, John Kerry as a phony who didn't deserve his medals. And on and on.

Most media bend over backward to to say nothing or as little as possible about most Republican lies, but when they do, it's often as a fact-check sidebar wherein lies are presented as errors alongside any Democrats' error(s) the oh-so-neutral newspaper or news magazine can dredge up. That way, they don't appear to be playing favorites.

Isn't is neat how a decades-long policy of lying early and often, and repeating the lies incessantly, is given equivalence with the occasional spin or erroneous statements of Democrats?

Republicans go on TV, as I so clearly remember seeing numerous times in '04, as when Judy Woodruff interviewed Ken Mehlman, the lying SOB who was then GOP party chairman. He spews an outrageous lie just before a commercial break. Back from the break, it's on to another question or another guest, with the lie hanging out there unchallenged in the public mind. I'm convinced the GOP or one of its propaganda operations, trains people to do this before going on TV or radio for interviews. And CNN is especially bad about letting them do it.

I think it would be terrific if, even for a couple of weeks during the health care wrangling, every time a Republican, conservative, lobbyist or teabagger tells a whopper in front of a camera or microphone, a bucket of water gets dropped on him/her then and there. Not for just a little spin, but for flat-out lying. I have confidence Democrats are being honest enough that I doubt many, if any, would get wet.

October 25, 2009 at 9:56 PM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

First, Carmen Miranda-ed drag, and now right wing stalkers? Rudy! is that you?

I have to stop coming here, tom keeps on raising my premiums!

October 26, 2009 at 2:52 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

you guys actually think people's lives will be better under Universal Healthcare?

It' not about people dying it's about putting in a bill that makes sense not just one that will wast money and put people out of work due to the txes that will be imposed on business:

A little lesson in economics that the democrats all seem to be lacking in tese days.


October 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

SW: You're right, lies and scare tactics have worked so well for them, they've forgotten how to do anything else. Good point about the "media" pretending that the occasional Democratic gaffe is equal to Republicans repeating the same lie over and over and over.

My rightwing commenter Mark Gillarq (I don't know if you looked at his site or not) uses an expanded version of that tactic. Obama's comment about "57 states" and Joe Biden's gaffe about FDR giving a televised speech in 1929 -- these are front and center, the most shocking earthshaking things that have happened in the past year and a half.

And that's true about Republicans telling a whopper right before a commercial, and when the commercial is over they're on to a new topic. I hadn't quite put my finger on it, but it's true.

Randal: Sorry but you have a pre-existing condition. Also, you lied on your application form. You deliberately omitted the fact that you took an Excedrin one day back in 1991. Because of that glaring omission, your coverage is hereby canceled.

Lisa: The Heartland Institute, LOL. Between that and the Hooterville Gazette (your comrade from the above comment), I can get a good glimpse into those small town middle American values. Socialism bad. Bootstraps good.

October 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

Good Alinsky hob Tom. Call out the author not the facts.

October 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a health insurance agent in Utah and run two websites that sell insurance www.benefitsmanager.net and www.dentalinsuranceutah.com. I mention this because in Utah it would be great to have a guaranteed public option to put people that the private insurers will decline for health conditions. Plus the way Weiner discribes the public option, it will be priced competitively. So what this means in my industry (I've been at it 18 years) is that all my unhealthy clients that get charged more or declined can be put onto the public option now. All my healthy clients can stay on the private option. Hmmmmm follow me yet???? How long can the public option stay affordable?? Who is going to pay for the losses of a big sick pool of people....taxpayers?????

October 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM  
Blogger jadedj said...

Anon---"...loses of a big sick pool of people...". What you really imply is, a big sick cess pool of people. Your obvious disdain of the less fortunate speaks for itself. The health reform issue is not about commodities, or things...it is about people. It is about, as so many neo-cons like to spout, personal responsibility, personal responsibility to help those who can't get help. Who's going to pay for it? You are...and I am...and all of us are...that is the humane thing to do. Glad you aren't my insurance agent fucker!

October 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Lisa: WTF is an "Alinsky hob???" Sounds like something either sci-fi or X-rated.

Anonymous: In answer to your question, "How long can the public option stay affordable?? Who is going to pay for the losses of a big sick pool of people....taxpayers?????" -- Yes, I guess it would be those same taxpayers who pay for wars, infrastructure and that socialized police and fire protection we all enjoy.

October 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

jadedj: I guess our comments crossed in the mail, so to speak. Good answer to Anon. -- you told him/her good.

October 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM  
Blogger jadedj said...

However Tom, I should point out that his/her/it's questions have more weight due to the inordinate number of question marks, which breed more question marks as more questions are asked. I feel question markedly challenged.

October 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

You know what's funny about "bootstraps" people like lisa? Just a little scratching usually reveals that they've all had their asses wiped for them their whole lives.

I guess that's why you never see any of them in a military uniform-daddy and mommy make sure they never have to serve. Too bad for the schmucks like me, I guess.

October 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM  
Blogger Jolly Roger said...

jadedj, I couldn't put it better myself.

The "culture of life" is only interested in YOUR life if you're still in the womb, or a whirte woman on a feeding tube. If you happen to be anybody else..... go Cheney yourself.

October 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

JR i won't even rep[ly to your stereo typing remark because you are so way off the mark all I can do is laugh. That statement is so not worth defending. You just think what you want.
I am not the one with an entitlement mentality.

Tom- That was supposed to be Alinsky "Job".

So let me get this straight it's not the fact that premims will go up and people will be fined if they don't obtain health insurance. The problem is that someone actually told us.

October 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Uh, no, Lisa, the problem is that the HMO lobbyists and their Republican mouthpieces are lying their asses off. They're so full of shit it's coming out their ears.

Of course the people who've been making billions of dollars off of sick people are going to fight tooth and nail against any change in the status quo, which might jeopardize their profits.

October 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

lisa prevaricated,

JR i won't even rep[ly to your stereo typing remark because you are so way off the mark all I can do is laugh. That statement is so not worth defending. You just think what you want.
I am not the one with an entitlement mentality.

I think it because you fit it, like a glove. I'd say better than 90% of those who spout the shit you sling have never known even a day of want, or ever worried about how to pay the electric bill AND get the kid to the doctor.

I also fully expected you to deny it, because your kind always does. Your rhetoric, however, leaves no doubt as to how much of the harder side of life you're aware of-which is "none."

October 26, 2009 at 9:36 PM  
Blogger National Inquisition said...

In the Inquisition, we speculate about what would happen if health insurers took over the auto industry, replacing "the current socialist system where people buy whatever cars they want, in favor of a freer, more democratic system in which people are automatically assigned a car based on where they work."


October 27, 2009 at 5:48 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

JR i know about hard times. I almost lost my house and had my electric shut off and had to use a credit card to go to a walk in clinic because we had now health care. In the 90's but I don't recall blaming Clinton or the government.
So you know what take that and shovel it.
You really need to stop thinking that there are only one class of victims. It gets old after a while.

October 27, 2009 at 7:24 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

National Inquisition: Hey, that sounds like a plan. And if a driver has had one speeding ticket (i.e. a pre-existing condition), his assigned car will be a Ford Escort that goes from 0 to 60 in 4 minutes.

Lisa: So you've actually been in dire situations like you described, and yet you're still on the side of the oligarchs instead of the rest of us? How sad is that.

October 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

On the side of who the president who will tax us into more oblivion?
Not to mention all his ridiculous policies that aren't' doing a damn thing for unemployment and will hurt it even more.
I bet poor people and struggling middle class are going to appreciate their higher energy bills if they pass this cap and trade bill and the increases it will cause everything else we use.
Oh yeah Tom I'm on your side.
You can keep your change thank you very much.
He's is rolling out all thees new programs who do you think is oing to pay for them the rich or the struggling middle class?

October 27, 2009 at 12:21 PM  
Blogger jadedj said...

Lisa who the fuck is paying for our military misadventures...and why are you not pissed off regards that? Really, why? Seriously, I would like you to answer that and not spout some goddamn platitude about Obama, and how he is fucking up the already fucked up country. It is a question of priority Lisa. We love to blow things and people up, so we somehow find the money to do it. See?

October 27, 2009 at 3:40 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

jadedj: What you said. You saved me the task of answering Lisa's comment (this one, anyway).

October 27, 2009 at 3:45 PM  
Blogger jadedj said...

Sorry to butt in Tom, but this fool is pissing me off...and the billionaire post also. I've never heard so much wind since the time I worked in a whoopie cushion factory.

October 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

jadedj: No apologies needed. I don't care if she comments here or not, but I told her when she first showed up that she could expect lots of arguments from other commenters here. So don't hold back.

She's sort of a legacy from Bring It On! -- a group blog I used to post at, which went belly up a few weeks ago.

October 27, 2009 at 4:13 PM  
Blogger jadedj said...

OK, that explains what I talked about on "Billionaires" just a moment ago.

October 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

Hey Jadedj-Our military misadventures idn't cost 13 trilion dollars. But keep beating that same drum to justify any of the wasteful spending this administration is doing . Sorry but you give this admin way too much power.
Wit all your criticisms of tha last 8 years I find it hard to believe you can't find a single thing wrong with what is going on now. I gues when it hits you directly then you will relaize it although even 10 years rom now you'll still be blaming Bush or Regan or Nixon.
I don't know why you feel goverenmnt is the answer?
emeber the sayong "A government big enough to give you everyhting is powerful enough to take it away"
I prefer a leader not a ruler. I think what we have are a bunch of power hungry people who want to call all the shot on everyhting we do.
That's not what this country is based on so if they want to "rule" they should move to Cuba or Venezuela.

October 28, 2009 at 10:04 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Lisa: I don't have any exact figure on how much Iraqmire and Afghanistan and Pakistan have cost us. And the Patriot Act and all the massive spying and surveillance, and the war on drugs. But conservatives never worry about the cost for any of that. Money grows on trees if it's gonna be used for war or more prisons.

But when some of that money might actually be used to help American citizens -- "oh my God, this is taxpayers' money we're talking about!" "Government takeover!"

October 28, 2009 at 10:37 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

Tom if supposedly 47 million people and I think that is an inflated number can't get health care then give those folks a safety net. The goal they have is to overhaul the syatem when the majority of people are happy with their insurance and the choices they have.
If this is such a great plan where the hell is it? Why all the secrecy?
People are legitimately concerned about what will happen to their health care and the relationship with their doctors and the cost of Universal Health Care. But you will deny it and blame insurance companies which we know find out their profits aren't what they've been feeding us. I see much more rationing in our future like the UK and Canada if this goes through. It has to be.
People have a right to know unless now all of a sudden secrecy is okay with you.
I already spoke to 5 doctors and they will all be retiring early or going into another field. How many have you spoken to? And not the ones Obama dressed up in White Coats at the White House either.
I can't believe how gulliable you are and have absolutely no concerns about the details except that Obama wants it and you want him to get it so he can get his gold star.

October 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

If you think a majority of people are happy with their health coverage I've got a bridge to sell you.

You've spoken to five doctors? Well, hold the phone! Case closed.

I haven't spoken to any doctors, but the doctors and administrators at our local hospital -- considered to be excellent for a town of 20,000 -- have come out publicly for "Obamacare" as the wingtards like to call it.

You're right, at this point I'm less concerned about details than I am about getting this health reform package passed, and soon. Sort of like when Bush-Cheney were whipping up hysteria about Iraq and the need to invade NOW -- "We don't have time to argue about this! Hussein has Weapons of Mass Destruction! While we dither, your family could be attacked!"

At that time, were you clamoring for Bush to slow down and have endless debates and get the details worked out before invading another country? I doubt it.

October 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

Talk to the CBO latley Tom?

October 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

uh.. attractive :))

December 12, 2009 at 6:42 PM  

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