John Boehner: “It’s Too Long!” “It’s Too Short!”
Now get your mind out of the gutter. Boehner was talking about the health care reform bill.
Last October John Boehner said: “All you need to know is there are 1,990 pages. That should tell you everything.”
Now that the White House has come up with a much shorter, streamlined version, Boehner is crying that:
“The White House’s ‘plan’ consists of an 11-page outline, which has not been scored by the Congressional Budget Office or posted online as legislative text. So they want to reorganize one-sixth of the United States’ economy with a document shorter than a comic book.”
Or they could “reorganize one sixth of the United States’ economy” with a 1,990-page document. Make up your mind, Asshole.
Basically, whatever Obama does, he should’ve done the opposite. If Obama tries to compromise by doing the opposite, he should’ve stuck to his first plan. OK???
Boehner uses this type of “reasoning” frequently.
On February 8th, he said: “If the President intends to present any kind of legislative proposal at this discussion, will he make it available to members of Congress and the American people at least 72 hours beforehand?”
Obama has done exactly that. Boehner’s grateful response was:
“A productive bipartisan discussion should begin with a clean sheet of paper.”
[sigh]
Headline of the Day: America Bulldozes Itself to Avoid Chinese Creditors.
Labels: health care reform, John Boehner, John Boehner crying
posted by Tom Harper @ 2:12 PM
25 Comments:
Fuck them and the non-bipartian horse they rode in on - time to move on...
It's obviously apparent that the obstructionist party of NO will criticize any legislation President Obama gives them. They need to be exposed to voters for the party hacks they are and voted out in the mid-terms.
This guy moves the goalposts so much, he must be dizzy in the head. Wait, I forgot, that's the liquor. Get off the sauce, Boner!!
Rockync: My sentiments exactly.
Lew: I think on one of Rachel Maddow's shows, she was naming all the things Republicans had been in favor of; then Obama proposed that same thing, and the Republicans flipflopped and all voted No. It was a pretty long list.
Bee: Between all the booze and constantly moving the goalposts, Boner must be pretty dizzy by now.
The majority of Amricans don't want this massive tax increasing bill that rations care and exempts union members from paying those taxes and is designed to pay back the thug union bosses plus will extend healthcare to illegals who pay no taxes. What part of that is so hard to understand?
The CBO couldn't even score it because it is a wreckless piece of clumsy legislation.
The Boehner is definitely too long.
But yeah, my mind is still in the gutter! 8-)
Boehner is nothing more than an automaton, plain and simple. He has nothing substantive to say about anything. All he does is complain and utter dire warnings, and foster obstruction.
Conservatives need to take their party back from craptastic people such as Boehner.
Now that Obama is offering up some stuff that is more likely to be considered by independents and moderate Republicans as being potentially beneficial for the country, how much longer will the Anii keep automatically saying NO to everything the president proposes? If they keep saying NO to stuff that Americans want, how is that going to help them regain control of Congress in 2010 like so many of them are bragging about (as if it has already happened?)
If the left adopted Boehner's attitude, their motto would be "Bipartisanship? I'll hug your elephant when you kiss my ass." But the left still seems to be bending over, and taking it.
Why not just use reconciliation at some point soon on something of importance? And threaten to keep using it if they don't play ball?
Anonymous: Massive tax increases, rationing health care, union thugs, free health care for illegal immigrants -- Oh My God! What else did Rush Limbaugh tell you?
Snave: Some of these Republican "leaders" are so simple-minded, they might as well be automatons. It's time for Congress to start using the reconciliation process ASAP and as often as possible. And the Democrats should call it "Majority Rule" instead of reconciliation. (I read that suggestion at another blog and it's good advice.)
Giuliani = a noun, a verb and 9-11.
Boehner = No!
Snave asked, "... how much longer will the Anii keep automatically saying NO to everything the president proposes?"
Until inauguration day, 2013, unless Obama wins re-election. In that case, until inauguration day 2017. That is, unless a Democrat wins in 2016.
The comments by Anonymous really sum the whole mess up, this is the thinking that drives the Republicans on, knowing that they have people out who actually believe that type of hysterical Rush Limbaugh crap.
SW: And that's pretty bad when Giuliani has a larger vocabulary than Boehner.
Holte: Anonymous forgot to mention those dreaded Death Panels. Other than that, his comment was the Cliffnotes Rush Limbaugh.
Wait. Limbaugh is full of crap? When did this happen? My world is in tatters, you bastards!
Anon said this "The majority of Amricans don't want this massive tax increasing bill that rations care and exempts union members from paying those taxes and is designed to pay back the thug union bosses plus will extend healthcare to illegals who pay no taxes. What part of that is so hard to understand?
The CBO couldn't even score it because it is a wreckless piece of clumsy legislation."
Jess is now refuting this bullshit point by point.
The majority of Americans spoke and DO want HCR and they want the public option. It has been polled time after time and the public option gets higher marks than this crap again and again. So you are quite wrong with this statement. Look it up and not on a winger website, go to a non partisan place, I know you know there are some of them.
Those "thug" union people are the people that brought you the 5 day work week, lunch breaks, safe environments to work in, I could go on, but you won't listen so I won't waste my time or energy on a closed mind.
Hmm, the CBO scored more than this one. AYUP, they scored the rep one and guess what, it covers 3 million people, the dem plan covers 30 million. Now I may have left school a while ago but when I was last there 30 million covered is way better than 3 million covered. As far as the reps plan, tort reform will not save what they say it will save. They use that save word and I don't think they know what it means. Buying across state lines, another bogus plan, will allow insurers to skiv customers the way they are doing with credit cards in certain areas that have no regulation. If you are going to come to a left leaning blog and try to feed us talking points, methinks you should have some facts to back em up. Also, too the reps won't do ANYTHING but obstruct and they will pay the price for it with those Americans you spoke of.
FIRST WE BREAK IT, THEN WE TAKE IT!
That's the Democrat Party mantra.
If Democrats want to control something, they will get heavily involved, over-regulate it, legislate negative changes, and ruin it so the only salvation is....... government takeover.
This housing crisis is the root cause of our present day financial troubles. This crisis didn't come out of nowhere.
It was the result of the political decisions, led by Democrats in the late 90s, to loosen the rules of lending so home loans would be more accessible to almost-poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized and encouraged to approve risky loans................ to a target audience.
The goal of these rules changes was to help the almost-poor. But are you really helping people by giving them a loans they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house along with what little credit they had.
They end up worse off than before, but now.... the government comes to the rescue.
This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people predicted it. One political party tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules and often sounded the alarm. The Democrat Party blocked every such attempt and further loosened the rules.
Poor people are already dependent on government, now the government gets the next layer.
FIRST WE BREAK IT, THEN WE TAKE IT!
Does anyone in their right mind think that Democrats don't want to control the pot-of-gold that is health-care?
Look at what they've been doing to health-care for the last 10 years. REGULATE, LEGISLATE, LITIGATE.
One of the center-pieces of the Obama health-care fix is to force/require insurance companies to sell policies to anyone who can pay. And what happens if suddenly, for whatever reason they can't pay? Can you say Fannie Freddie part deux?
They're not trying to save health-care, they are trying to wreck it in order to swoop in and 'save the day'
Banks, mortgages and health-care are easily within complete Federal control.
Next on the hit-list:
Pension funds (401k)
Auto makers.
Airlines.
Broadcasting.
Insurance companies
oh and cvongradulations congress' dissaproval rating is now at 71%.
Is it Nov 2 yet?
Massive tax increases, rationing health care, union thugs, free health care for illegal immigrants --
He who laughs first,laughs last
Randal: Get a grip, Wingtard :)
Jess: I'm afraid Anonymous is right. Them union thugs ruined America. Before our workers got all softened up with paid vacations, lunch breaks and safe working conditions, they were Real Men who went out there and did what they had to do and didn't whimper about it.
< / satire >
Anonymous: I assume you're not Lisa since you're too articulate to be her. But it's the same ISP -- Rogers Cable -- and the Detail page doesn't get any more specific than the latitude/longitude and "North America." Whatever workplace this is, you guys must have some stimulating political discussions.
In any case, since you have a lot to say (not that I'm agreeing with it), you should write speeches for John Boehner. At least you're able to come up with something besides "It's 19,000 pages!" "It's only 11 pages!" and "No!"
Anon said "This housing crisis is the root cause of our present day financial troubles. This crisis didn't come out of nowhere."
I call bullshit on this. Remember back to the tax cuts for those with high incomes. I do, I am one of them that has benefited greatly from them. Oh, or a couple little adventures in the desert that have cost over 1 trillion that were not paid for, oh or the give away to big Pharma in Medicare D funds. Oh, I'm sorry, are these factual things going to spoil all your talking points for the day or will you go listen to the Foxness monster and get some new points.
Republicans managed to squirrel away a lot of money with YOUR 401k and the gambling that took place on Wall st with that money. ?They have managed to turn record surpluses into massive debt that you, me and my yet to be born kids will have to pay. Don't let my facts get in the way of a good revision of history though. GO LOOK THE SHIT UP, before you come here and spout crap. Please, it takes this blog's IQ levels to low levels with you doing this. I feel any time I reply to someone like you, I actually lose brain cells trying to get into your mind. As far as regulation of health care, yeah we certainly don't want any of that because then the CEOs would not be able to get those HUGE bonuses denying you or a loved one care they may need. I'm sorry, I did not take those poor bastards bonuses into account when I called to promote HCR. I will know better next time, to be on their side because they are definitely on our side. Banks too being regulated, well I never. I guess you would be happy paying whatever they decided for interest rates or fees for using the credit they give you or for keeping YOUR money in their institutions. Damn, I am going to have to go into some liberal anonymous place to get 12 stepped out of my wanting things for the good of everyone.
Health care for illegals has been refuted over and over again. I guess if all you listen to is Foxness and its "news" well I could probably forgive your ignorance on that since they have fed you this bullshit for years.
You really are brave, coming to Tom's house with bullshit to be knocked down again and again, I'll give you that. What I won't give you is revision of history, recent history even. You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Forget who said that but there it is.
Oh and anon, the late 90s legislation, guess who controlled both houses? I'll give you a hint, not the democrats. Hope this helps.
Anon said this too, somehow I missed it my first reading."Look at what they've been doing to health-care for the last 10 years. REGULATE, LEGISLATE, LITIGATE."
Um guess who was in charge the last ten years or so? Oh yeah, here is another hint, NOT THE DEMS. They have only been in charge since 06. See those damn facts again, I know they tend to get all in the way of a really good rant. I'll try to get better at not giving you facts, if you try and get better at not giving us easily refutable talking points how's that?
Oh and Anon, Lisa whoever you are playing today in your one act play here you go. Courtesy of a quick google check. Gramm/Leach/Billey act that took protections away from the Glass Steagall act of 1933. There was something that had happened in the 1930s that kind of escapes my mind right now, I'll try and remember. Oh yeah, the GREAT DEPRESSION, see those pesky little buggers facts getting all in the way again. Here you go, from WIki, a non partisan intro into what the Reps did in 1999 led by none other than Phil Gramm, he of the Americans are all whiners and the crisis is only in our heads fame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act
Sorry for all the extra Tom, this bullshit needed an actual blog posting and since I am a lazy wench, with bad writing skills :), you get this in all its beauty to post for me. A big YAY for all my blog peoples, I can be talkative as all get out and not worry about grammar, or getting it right all the time.
Give 'em hell Jess.
It just shows the education levels in the country are going down, when you have people like this spouting total nonsense. Maybe it is a good time for a young liberal female to get into teaching after all :) I have decades to indoctrinate all those young minds to the good side.
(alcoholics) Anonymous said:
This housing crisis is the root cause of our present day financial troubles. This crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was the result of the political decisions, led by Democrats in the late 90s, to loosen the rules of lending so home loans would be more accessible to almost-poor people.
Patent leather bullshit, dear - the housing crisis this time came from massive deregulation, tacked on with a healthy dose of "got mine" from Wall Street on down to the lowly real estate agents. I'm in the industry, dear, and you are quite incorrect. The "rule loosening" (that's deregulation, dear, and quite at odds with everything else you've said about dems so far being "regulation happy") really got going hot and heavy under the Bush administration. Oh, and the Reagan/Bush I admin was pretty much the cause of the housing bubble burst and subsequent S&L bailouts of the 80's. You see, these things go in cycles when it comes to real estate...repube deregulation, dem re-instituting of a few regs after the horse is gone and the barn has burned down.
Jess: Go for it. We'll need all the teachers we can get who will actually teach students how to think and reason.
Bee: Alcoholics Anonymous, LOL. "dem re-instituting of a few regs after the horse is gone and the barn has burned down." Yup, that's what happened.
ISP Rogers Cable? The only Rogers Cable ISP I know is in British Columbia
Erik
Erik: You're right, that's where it is. "Lisa" and one other anonymous commenter both have that ISP, even though Lisa lives in New York and the other person is in Colorado. They're both carryovers from "Bring It On!" when I used to cross-post there. I assume they both work for the same employer and use some sort of company e-mail/internet arrangement.
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