Texas: Mission Accomplished
Operation Stupid has been accomplished. It’s a done deal. The final vote was today.
All Texans, please reset your clocks to the eighteenth century. And it’s not just Texas, unfortunately. This includes all future students who will be getting their “education” from Texas’ new whitewashed dumbed-down textbooks.
I kept thinking that at the last minute, people whose IQs were HIGHER than their shoe sizes would prevail over the one-toothed inbreds. No such luck. The “My Parents Are First Cousins” division of the Texas State Board of Education triumphed over their more intelligent counterparts.
Don’t forget now: the Salem Witch Trials were a GOOD thing. And Thomas Jefferson — BAD.
These textbooks will also be warning future students about the evils and dangers of that there United Nations. Them third world tinpot swarthy bastards are a threat to America’s soverin, uhh, sahvareign, er, indeependints…oh gol durn it all — our FREEDOM!!!
Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy! The rest of the world is moving forward while the United States is going backwards and turning into an international basket case with more dunces and retards per square foot than any other country. These rightwing Biblehumping douchebags are afraid some international organization is gonna trample on America’s sovereignty, so they try to fight that by turning America INTO a pathetic basket case that’s going to NEED that international help and interference they’re so afraid of. DUUUHHH!!!
Connect the God Damn Dots!
If these backward intelligence-insulting textbooks don’t get thwarted, it’ll be just a matter of time before formerly third world countries will have magazine ads saying “You can help to educate these poor brainwashed American children or you can turn the page.”
posted by Tom Harper @ 6:46 PM
35 Comments:
America is rapidly devolving into a nation of television watching retards. There is no hope because stupid people breed faster and vote Republican more often.
Tom
As I remember it, these books are cast in stone for at least 10 years.
!0 years of dumbing down our kids.
And so the cycle continues...
I think if my kids were still at home that's where they would be schooled.
Next they'll have Jesus riding on a dinosaur working at Slate Mines with Fred Flintstone.
Man they are going to be even more of a laughingstock than they already are there. I am so glad we don't have to deal with these books here in CA, we do our own. One of our state assemblymen has already put forth an amendment requiring if we do get any books they go through a process of being checked for accuracy. I swear, it will be so very hard for some of these kids when they have to go on to higher education with the bad knowledge they will be getting.
People are wondering here why America is lagging behind other nations. It is morons like this that are keeping kids ignorant and stupid. This way it will be easier to fool future voters into keeping the conservatives in office. One of my friends is running for our local school board here in my area. He figures you gotta start on the bottom rung so these people do not get to sit on any kind of board that controls anything. Damn religionists wanting to take us back to the good old days when it was okay to burn people at the stake for being different. Makes me sick and is part of the reason I am getting my teaching credential. In guess what, AYUP social studies and history. Only another 6 months to go before I can start molding little minds to think for themselves, and question everything they are told.
Tom, the really sad thing, we have now become one of the worst nations in a number of areas. Education being just one of them. It is truly pitiful and then we have the dittoheads and Beckerheads saying, hell yeah we're number 1. So any of you dittoheads and Beckerheads here, here is my challenge. I want any one of you to find us anything, ANYTHING that the US is number 1 at anymore. I'll give you 1 thing, and then you can maybe find some other examples. We are number 1 with the amount of people we
incarcerate. Your turn.
This just pisses me off to see my country like this. To hell with all these teabagistan residents and their I want my country back. I WANT MY damn country back.
It just goes to show what I've been posting for the last few weeks. The Conservatives have been working to change the history on Civil Rights and Slavery because over in our country's history they were against the former and supported the later.
The Last time they did this was their propaganda film "Birth of a Nation" which changed the country's racial direction for years to come.
As a Californian, I am also glad my state is fighting this and I haven't heard too much from our conservatives (It's also an election year.
Erik
This is absolutely stunning. I'm so tired of this shit. If it weren't for the good job I have here, I'd leave Texas, never to return.
What's truly sad about this is the composition of the board of Education. Have you counted how many educators are on it? Sad.
This country has been dumbing down our students for decades. Students are brainwashed and are not taught how to think for themselves. Fanatics on both right and left do the exact same thing, and then blame each other for dumbing our country.
I personally see nothing wrong with studying and evaluating global organizations, including the UN, and how/if they are undermining our sovereignty. This is what makes good discussions and debates and gets students thinking for themselves.
Same for studying the decline of the US dollar and abandonment of the gold standard. I think it is important to understand how this economy works, or doesn't work.
People are scared to see where this country is headed and, each in their own way, is trying to find a solution to the problems they see. Unfortunately no one seems to come up with a solution that works. We'll see the right AND left coming up with all sorts of solutions that will do nothing but keep us headed toward the toilet.
Tom, I'd like you to point out to Mr. Erik that the S-word is no longer allowed. Atlantic triangular trade, please. Thank you.
BANNING TONI MORRISON'S BOOK FROM FRANKLIN CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL?
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20104290404
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100504/OPINION01/5040314/1002/OPINION/Advanced-Placement-students-can-handle-mature-material
I wrote a bit at Mad Mikes this morning about how they also plan to teach their budding idiots "alternatives" to the "insolvency" of social security and medicare.
This kind of stupid is contagious, but you already know that.
Oh fret not my friends. Kids are smarter than their parents and as long as we have the innertubes and access to university papers all will be well.
Let's give Texas and Arizona back to Mexico. We can throw in Utah as well.
Admittedly I do not know a whole lot about the specific revisions being placed into these new history text books.
I can tell you that the previous version was precisely what one could accurately call revisionist hate-America-first history that was sorely lacking in any accurate and contextual teaching of American history.
I have no problem pointing out the faults of our nation and indeed these things should be taught so that they never happen again; however, when one's whole point is simply to denigrate the nation that has been the biggest beacon for freedom and the largest contributor to man's knowledge in the last 200 years, then one needs to seriously rethink his agenda.
As I understand it, the biggest problem with the left (and I am sure I will be corrected if I am mistaken here) is that these text books were going to mention the Christian influence that our Founding Fathers felt and instilled in the forming of our nation.
Now since this is indeed a primary fact in our nation's founding, why does the left object to this FACT being taught? Is the left's secular agenda more important than historical truth?
This doesn't mean you have to be a Christian nowadays. It simply provides an explanation of one of the main motivating factors for most of our Founders.
It saddens me that there is such a knee-jerk emotional reaction to this seemingly because of politically correct leftist agendas.
As for God and science, the two prove each other and are a duality and not a dichotomy, as the left would have one believe.
Of course, one has to put aside preconceived notions and make an attempt to objectively research both to find that there is harmony and indeed explanation between the two.
Great minds again, Tom. We seem to be echoing each other. :-)
It's a new GOP standard. Since they cannot convince adults with their lies, they are foisting them on children.
Eric- Bill Maher did a great piece last night on Texas during his "Stupidest States" competition.
Kate, you make excellent points ma'am! I wholeheartedly agree.
Maybe it's time to calculate whether the U.S. needs Texas more than Texas needs the U.S. I mean, after two Bush preznits, Karl Rove, Phil Gramm, Ken Lay and Tom DeLay, and now their genius Gov. Rick "Mess With Texas and We're Outta Here" Perry, maybe it's time to cut our losses by cutting the Lone Star Beer state loose.
They can go their merry, tea-bagging, 18th century way, and America can get on with the 21st century.
Anderson, I say rather lets give California to Mexico and the Northeast to Canada.
The rest of us Americans can remain living in the country like it was originally intended from its founding with a reliance upon God, personal responsibility, and limited governmental interference.
We conservatives/libertarians have no other country in which to retreat to (if such was in our nature), however, there are myriads of socialist welfare state nations for you all on the left to choose for a home.
If you don't appreciate your Constitution and the rights afforded to you under it so that you are willing to LEARN about it truly in history classes and then defend it, what the hell is the point of hanging around this "horrible racist, homophobic, Christian, backward" nation?
And since there are far more of us that are right of center than there are of you folks left of center, you won't be able to win ultimately with your politically agenda.
Don't believe me? Just wait about 5 more months and see!
TP,
Welcome back. I hope all is well with your family.
Why don't you enlighten us with some examples of your accusation of "revisionist hate-America-first history"? For all we know you may be just parroting Beck or Limbaugh. And we all know how much they lie. This sounds exactly like the Oxy-Moron's "Obama hates America" crap.
History needs to be of the documented, researchable truth, not right wing ideology, Bible-thumping hypocrisy and propaganda.
And where did you get this? “And since there are far more of us that are right of center than there are of you folks left of center, you won't be able to win”?
In order for there to be a center there needs to be equal measure outward. They used to teach geometry, and civics, before conservatives de-funded public schools. And we know the radical right loves to re-define terms, like the “center” to fit their bias. But guess what? Most people want those socialistic things like Medicare and Social Security.
I hear the new “history” is replacing Thomas Jefferson with Anita Bryant and Rush Limbaugh.
I guess you'll have to read these words here, because they will never be allowed in the "Politically Right" version of history.
Censorship used to be un-American.
“The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” John Adams, Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by the United States Senate without debate unanimously in 1797.
And this was from the man who predicted Bush/Cheney:
“I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations…. The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” . - James Madison
Lew: I remember that song "Flagpole Sitter" about 10 years ago. The voice sounded like Weird Al Yankovic but it wasn't him. That line "only stupid people are breeding" always stuck with me.
Tim: Yup, Jesus and the Flintstones and the dinosaurs -- our true history as God intended.
Jess: That's exactly it; we're going the opposite direction of almost everybody else. Like that YouTube song says, "We want to take our country back. To 1955."
Erik: I remember that news story that you and Jess both mentioned, about California making sure they don't get stuck with any of those Texan textbooks. I hope a lot of states do this.
Carlos: You're right, stunning and sad.
Kate: The ability to think critically and logically is the most important thing students can learn. And that's what schools have been moving further away from. The subject matter itself is less important than enabling students to think for themselves. But judging by some of the changes in these Texas history books, it seems like thinking and asking questions is the last thing these "educators" want their students to do.
Randal: Absolutely. Let the whitewash begin.
Anonymous: No doubt, the banning of books will get a lot more common with people like this in charge.
Bee: "Stupid is contagious," LOL. Funny but true.
Demeur: We'll need the innertubes more than ever. As long as ComCast doesn't take total control of the Internet and start working hand in hand with those Texas "educators."
Dave: That sounds like an awful gift. Mexico would get even with us.
TP: What you call "hate America first" I call examining your own country's history, warts and blemishes and all; no whitewashing. Every country has a dark side of its history; ours is no exception.
We already discussed this in an earlier comment section, that you think America is exceptional, a beacon to the world, and I think America is one of 200-odd countries in the world. Everybody thinks of their own country, or region or tribe or whatever, as unique, exceptional, the center of the world.
In your last comment, you say: "We conservatives/libertarians have no other country in which to retreat to..." That's kind of sad, isn't it. Surely there's a country out there somewhere that would take you in :)
TomCat: I'm glad a lot of people are posting on this.
J: I'll have to look for that. Bill Maher can skew them like nobody else.
SW: I wish there was some way to separate the teabaggers from the rest of us and give them their own country. Unfortunately I don't think you can go by state, since every state has some teabaggers, and even the reddest states have some non-teabaggers.
Dave: Great quotes by John Adams and James Madison.
T.P. I hope all is well with your family after the emergency. Given that CA is a donor state, all that money we have, would be gone for the welfare states of the south. We also have the 7 or 8th largest economy in the world. Let's face it, the US needs CA more than it needs AZ or any number of small red states with more land than people, somehwere like ummm, Alaska. No CA stays right where it is. The NE stays right where it is. I heard recently that Plum Island in NY is going to be sold since they are going to be relocating to Manhattan KS. All you current residents of Teabagistan can go to the island and start up your own little community.
Here is a piece of change they want. No more Slavery, it will now be referred to as the Atlantic Triangle trade. No more American imperialism, it will now be expansionism. No more learning about MLK, Native Americans, it will now be, tell us how we can affect change and get rid of Soc Sec and Medicare entitlement programs. tell us all about the conservative rising of the 80s and 90s with the Contract for America,(conservative group whatever) Phyllis Schaffly, Newt Gingrich and oh by the way, no mention of Edward Kennedy. Yeah, that is some serious re writing of history right there for you.
Oh and this country was never founded on God/s by any stretch of the imagination. That just came about because some tamborine bangers for Jesus came in, wanted to change things to be what they wanted it to be, instead of what actually happened.
Now for the "I hate America" part of the evening by Jess, beacon of freedom at the barrel of a gun is not freedom in anyone's world. We are the ONLY nation to have used nuclear weaponry and we go around telling everyone else they cannot have it. Please, don't go all in with the exceptionalism again, we just went through this a few postings back. We are like any other country in the world. Yes, we love our country, but it is not the shining star some of us would like it to be, no matter how hard we try to make it so.
As far as waiting 5 months or so. Keep producing people like Sue Lowden in NV, Rand Paul in KY, and people of their caliber, it will be a great summer but not in the way you think it will.
Tom 1955? no you have to go further back than that, I am afraid. They want to take us back to where it was okay to own people and women not having votes, you know the 1850s. I'll be getting fitted for my high necked, long sleeved, bustled dress tomorrow.
T.Paine
I live in Texas, and my kids went to school in Texas. I don’t recall ever seeing topics that could remotely be considered “hate-America-first” (your words) in their history & social studies books. Can you be specific on your “hate” contention?
As for Christian influence on founding fathers being mentioned in the textbooks – what do they plan on putting in the textbooks? I haven’t been able to find anything specific, so it’s hard to form an opinion.
But…If the new books are going to talk about Christian influence in early America, I hope they also talk about other religious influences, like the influence of Buddhism on railroad workers and the gods of West African slaves (or do they have another word for that now?).
I always thought our country was founded based on the desire for freedom – Freedom from monarchy, and state-sponsored religion. Founding fathers may have been influenced by their religion, but I kinda think they were influenced more by the desire to get out from under the thumb of the King and the Church of England.
The history of Christianity and its influence on historically important people should be taught to kids by their Christian parents and their churches, not government.
Not a shining star? Then why oh why are million of people from around the world still coming to this "awful" place? Some are going the legal route, taking 6 years or more, and some are risking life and limb. But they still come. They still see the USA as a beacon and a shining star.
Kate they see what our media tells them to see. Yes there are still people that come here and yes they have oppurtunity, I can go to France, Germany, Italy or anywhere else and have opportunity also. We are just one island on the blue ball, which exists among many other stars and planets. We are not the best at anything anymore and if you(generic) think we are, you (generic) are not looking around at what we have become over the years. Look into it, I won't do your research for you.
T. Paine,
Welcome back! I hope you've had a chance to read my post for the last few weeks which have covered a lot of this. and I hope I'm not too late for a response. The idea of history is to learn from it, not to make the same mistakes and use those incidents to make you stronger.
But if you Conservatives are going to call Ethnic and Women's history Hating America and Rewriting History, then you are not only closing your eyes to those mistakes, but you also show you want to be in control and the hell with anybody else. "History is written by the victors" then White Conservative Males want to make themselves the victors and control history.
It was the twisting of history that put us in this position in the first place.
BTW do people know one of the biggest reasons why Texas fought for independence from Mexico is because Slavery was illegal in Mexico and Texas wanted to be a slave state?
Might give some insight as to why Texas want's to change history.
It would take me all day to repeat what I have posted in the past, but to summarize, the Conservatives Merging with the Southerners have been trying to steer the country to their version of Slavery, The Civil War, Reconstruction, and Segregation for years and now they are finally marching forward in Texas.
To demean this, or even dilute them is doing a grave injustice to these founding ideals that you constantly post that you follow.
Erik
Kate,
Your "shining star" is getting dimmer. At least in the eyes of illegal immigrants.
http://www.institutenotes.org/2010/05/immigration-slowdown-due-mainly-to-recession-not-enforcement.html
“...175,000 entered between March 2008 and March 2009 compared to 650,000 in 2005....
...The drop in illegal immigration has coincided with another recent change in America: The Great Recession. Fewer immigrants are journeying to the U.S. because there aren’t as many jobs.”
First, thanks to Dubya, Jess, et al for the well wishes. My wife gave me quite a scare but is doing well now.
Let me start by saying that I do NOT want a white-washed U.S. history. I agree that we need to look at the warts and blemishes too in order to learn from them. What I don’t like to see is a focus on them only so that the great achievements of America and its citizens throughout our relatively short history are demeaned or not reported at all. Should Thomas Jefferson, the man that was primarily responsible for penning our nation’s founding document be removed from history books when Limbaugh and Bryant are put in there? Hell NO! While I often agree with Limbaugh on most of his opinions, he is not at this point deserving to be in a U.S. History book. MLK certainly is as are those great figures such as Harriet Tubman and Susan B. Anthony etc.
That doesn’t mean that we need to soothe everyone’s agenda of identity politics by placing people of dubious importance into our text books. Ted Kennedy doesn’t strike me as deserving of anymore than a paragraph at best, for instance.
We need to dispassionately discuss why we formed our nation with the evil institution of slavery being allowed. We need to look at the reasons without trying to justify our manifest destiny expansion and the great harm it did to the native Americans while strengthening the nation as a whole. We need to put these events in context and explain that yes we did allow slavery early on as a compromise amongst our founders so that the union could be formed. Had they not done so, the country would not have been able to achieve our freedom from England. Further we ended up correcting this egregious evil with our bloodiest war in 1861 to free humans from their slavery.
And Jess, yes we did drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and this was a horrible thing. It was also necessary. THIS is what I am talking about in putting things into context and not blaming/hating America first. Look at the reasons why things happened! The Japanese were already beaten near the end of the war but refused to surrender. They killed millions of civilians throughout the Philippines , China etc. (ever hear of the “rape of Nanking”?) Despite the Japanese loosing badly, they doubled their efforts, formed the Kamikaze fighters willing to go to their death to fight. Mt Suribachi was taken with nary a Japanese soldier a live because they refused to surrender. It would have taken MILLIONS more lives, both Japanese and American, if we were to continue island hopping in our attempt to subdue the Japanese empire. By dropping those dreadful bombs, it broke the will of the Emperor Hirohito and the Japanese people and they realized they must unconditionally surrender. Nothing short of that would have brought about that outcome. It was horrible, but it is what happened in our history.
The progressive wish to level the playing field by saying since we have nukes, everyone else should have the moral right to them too is asinine. Can you imagine what would have happened had Hitler obtained nukes, or perhaps Pol Pot etc? History has to be put in as objective a context as possible.
Dubya, I see your John Adams quotation and raise you five more. This is exactly to what I am referring when I speak of revisionist history. Faith, particularly the Christian faith, was a vital component in our Founders as they established the framework for our nation. See my posting for a lot more quotations:
http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com/2009/09/in-god-we-trust.html
"The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other." Alexis de Tocqueville
John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]
John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798
Patrick Henry: "Orator of the Revolution."
“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
James Madison:
“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]
Hard to argue with the facts, huh?
Carlos, you make some excellent points in your comments, and I by and large agree with you, sir.
Lastly, Jess, you maybe right about California and its economy as it was in the past, but your “donor” state is bankrupt and is worse off in debt than any other state in the nation now.
They owe more in debt than Greece does by far. Who do you think will end up paying for the largesse in undisciplined foolish liberal spending that has plagued California for decades? It will be the rest of the states.
We do NOT need California as it currently is. We need California as it once was when it is was fiscally responsible and was a huge contributor to the world in industry and agriculture. Now it is a morally and fiscally bankrupt state that businesses are leaving in droves because of its foolishness.
TP: You had a second comment which Blogger wouldn't let me publish. It's been malfunctioning all morning. Your other comment should appear shortly. If not I'll copy it in from my e-mail.
Mr. H, let me know if you need my second comment again, sir.
you know this is what the people of pakistan and yemen and other countries (read Germany 1933) did - teach their children the "new world order"
and that worked out so well
the only we have is that these kids will see pictures of phyllis schlafly in their texts and puke on them
i wish this country was just being dumbed down - we are being tossed into the cess pool
TP:
I see since you backed off your challenge to compare falsehoods between Beck/Limbaugh and Olbermann/Maddow you prefer to exchange founders' quotes. Fine.
TP said: (And I said.)
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John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! April 18, 1775 (Did not happen))
John Adams: (The Puritanical Founder)
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
( For context and explanation: http://fakehistory.wordpress.com/2010/05/ )
Patrick Henry: "Orator of the Revolution."
“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses
(Snopes: No record. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp )
(Wiki: “Misattributed” http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry )
James Madison:
“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”
(From Limbaugh’s book, need I say more?)
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]
(Snopes: No record.) http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp
Hard to argue with the facts, huh?
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No, TP, it is easy to argue WITH the facts, hard to argue AGAINST them.
Dubya, first I have not backed off on the Olberman issue. Don't be so quick to declare victory, my friend! :)
I had most of the data at hand for my quotations provided on this topic so that was easy and took no time.
As my schedule permits, I will address your previous Olbmerman challenge comments still, many of which were NOT lies by the way, so you might want to find a few more examples. I'll address this soon though, hopefully.
Next, just because Snopes has no record of something does not mean it did not happen or was not said. (By the way, on rare occasions, I have found Snopes to be in error too.) Further, I have used historical texts for these quotations and nothing so dubious as wikipedia.
Nice try, but I will stand by my sources AND the truth, sir.
TP,
If you are going to contradict me, snopes, fakehistory, and Wiki, I'd say you are blowing hot air if you have no documentation.
John Adams and John Hancock said that? What, in unison?? Come on.
'Course if Rush said it, it has to be true, eh?
In a world where Bush was a progressive, and Obama is a racist, and nobody ever said there was a connection between Iraq and 9-11 attacks, and Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate, and this health care plan and the entire Obama agenda is frighteningly close to the National Socialism policies of Nazi Germany, and Faisal Shahzad is a registered Democrat...In that world...I guess I can't argue with you.
TP,
I'll just point out one more little thing. You claim Patrick Henry said, "this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians" in 1765? Which nation would that be? There was no USA in 1765. Come on.
Do you really care about the truth, or just right wing ideology. They are very far apart.
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