An Obama Supreme Court Would Ruin America
When the Supreme Court ruled that child rapists cannot be executed, John McCain issued a somber warning to all Americans. Criminal-coddling decisions like this will become much more common if Barack Obama gets elected.
This anti-war leftist doesn’t even wear an American flag lapel pin for God’s sake. One can only shudder to think of the limpwristed socialist judges that President Obama would nominate to the Supreme Court.
Criminals going free, homosexuals running rampant, Islamofascism being taught in our public school system — God help us!
Our Great Leader has also given us something to think about. When his own hand-picked Supreme Court ruled in favor of those bloodthirsty terrorists in Guantanamo Bay, Bush had a terrifying message: Some of those crazed jihadists might end up moving into YOUR neighborhood.
We Americans can run but we can’t hide. We won’t be safe anywhere. PTA meetings, the yacht club, church services — these terrorists will be EVERYWHERE! They’re gonna hunt us down like animals and there’s nothing we can do about it and it’s all because of those Goddamn French-loving commies on the Supreme Court!
America cannot keep veering to the left. We have to make sure that no more terrorist-coddling judges ever get onto the Supreme Court.
Unfortunately our Great Leader can’t stay in office after next January. But if we all vote for his Significant Other this November, our Great Crusade will continue for at least a hundred years.
cross-posted at Bring It On!
posted by Tom Harper @ 6:22 PM
20 Comments:
The coincidence of events can be interesting. From just three days ago: Inmate free after 20 years on death row , thanks to DNA test.
How many cases like that one is it going to take before people accept the fact our system is too unreliable to be carrying out as many executions as occur in the U.S.? Our system is so unreliable that a few years ago the governor of Illinois discontinued executions indefinitely.
I don't say that out of any desire to coddle criminals, killers and rapists most especially. But I would rather have 100 killers stuck in prison for the rest of their lives than put an innocent man to death.
OK, that's half the reform that's needed. The other half is seeing to it convicted killers and rapists actually remain in prison for the rest of their lives. There's been a bad tendency in recent decades to let them out for various reasons.
As for judges, no matter how many Scalia-class activist judges get appointed by Bush-grade presidents, there will never be enough to satisfy hard-core conservatives. Plus, it's always a good drum to beat at election time, as McCain just did.
The message Democrats should be driving home to the electorate now is that many, maybe nearly all, judges are activist. At least they are in the sense of interpreting law in terms of their ideology and setting or going against precedents.
Judge-made law is a fact of life, and the charge that it's only the evildoing of leftists is pure, nonsensical propaganda.
SW: Yes, DNA testing sure does show how imperfect any court system is. That's just unimaginable, somebody spending 20 years in jail for a crime they didn't commit. And DNA tests are revealing more and more of these cases.
These next four months will be having a lot of hysterical soundbites about the next Supreme Court. The drumbeat will be getting a lot lounder between now and November. And it's true that the Right only hates Activist judges when it's a conservative law that got overturned. That recent Exxon decision by the Supreme Court was a perfect example. When the Supreme Court let Exxon off the hook, they were ignoring a congressional law and previous court decisions. I didn't hear any outcry from the Right about "activist judges."
I think the Bush Supreme Court is generally too young for any major changes to be made during an Obama administration.
The oldest member is Stephens, now 88... if you are the praying type, pray that he lives past 1/20/09, although if Bush tried to force through another horrifying nominee the Senate would delay it until after Bush was out of office... or would they? Congress seems to be rolling over for Bush on just about everything.
Kennedy will turn 72 this month. Souter turns 69 in September. Ginsburg is 75, and Breyer will turn 70 in August.
Chief Justice John Roberts is only 53 years old. Who knows, he could live to be as old as Stephens is now... Scalia is 72, the oldest of the creepy Supreme Court right-wingers. Thomas seems like he has been on the Court forever, but he just turned 60 and probably still has a lot of years left. Alito just turned 58.
The average age of those four conservative nitwits is only about 61. The average age of the other five is about 75.
It seems to me more likely (due to average human life expectancy) that in an Obama administration, he would just be replacing dead or retiring justices from the group of five who tend to lean left, rather than replacing justices from the conservative group of four. Obama could help keep it from getting worse anyway, by maybe replacing Stephens.
If Obama can be elected and get two terms, and if he can work with a Democratic Congress for most or all of those eight years, I think he could end up making a few appointments that would at least help solidify the Court in a more "moderate" way.
But to raise the horrific spectre of an Obama Supreme Court? That would probably be just another Republican scare tactic... Logic should dictate that Obama won't be able to make a whole lot of difference in the makeup of the Court. But than again... logic? Heh!
Also, I get pretty danged tired of the term "activist judges". It seems like the righties use that term a lot. The left needs to get with it and start using that term a lot more! Why sit back and let the right wing keep their monopoly on using language for political advantage? The left needs to get a whole lot better at it, I say...
Also, I get pretty danged tired of the term "activist judges". It seems like the righties use that term a lot. The left needs to get with it and start using that term a lot more! Why sit back and let the right wing keep their monopoly on using language for political advantage? The left needs to get a whole lot better at it, I say...
Tom, and S.W. Anderson,
"We The People's" country is on the verge of collapse!
Obama Picks???? This isn't the NBA draft. Think. All judges at the federal level, at least the Supreme Court are appointed for life!! What the heck is Obama going to change? At best the DOJ.
I am done posting on Bring it on; there post that I spent time commenting suddenly disappeared, and my comment went with it. The entire page changed; almost like Cj, or B4V.
Tom,
To prove innocense through voluntary DNA is one thing, but now they are demanding it from all new borns, federal felons, and at different road side checkpoints...........it's voluntary at the checkpoints, but if you don't give it then they unvoluntarilly hold you there for harassment. I think there is something to this aspect of the DNA we aren't being told. On another note:
I have some current business at hand. I will keep posting, but please no one be offended when I don't come to your different, and very excellent sites as much. All I ask is that you do read what I research, and if in protest, then do not comment. The Business must take my time for the current while.
Peace and Freedom
Over the years I have heard the GOP propose several amendments to the constitution:
Flag Waving
School Prayer
Busing
Abortion
and to let Arnie become President.
I have never heard the Democrats propose one Amendment.
Having said Roberts, Alito and Scalia are just the end result of a carefully planned project that started before they were born-
Overturn the New Deal and make the Supreme Court the activist pro business, anti personal and civil rights court it had been in the past.
And they've been doing this for over 70 from generation to generation to generation.
What really burns me is that the Supreme Court has a history of being filled with Surprises, Guys who towed the party line all their lives, kissed a lot of ass and then get there and realize "I don't have to answer to anybody or play this political game anymore I am my own person!"
But these guys that Bush appointed seem to do exactly what they were genetically programmed to do.. and that is a real shame!
They also forget they almost stymied Clinton from filling the federal judgeships over the 8 years and leaving a large void for Bush to turn the course.
If Obama wins, I doubt he will get a chance to fill any Supreme court positions and if so they wont let him have the ones he really wants. Like Clinton settle with moderates and hope for the best.
Erik
I sure hope you're wrong. I can take the jihadists in my hood and in my schools, but I will not stand for limpwristedness in the courthouse!
Snave: That's a good point -- the justices most likely to die soon are the liberal ones. So we'll just be treading water if Obama gets elected and gets to appoint a judge or 2.
But the scare tactics from the Right have started already, and they're sure to get louder and louder. McCain really did say that the Supreme Court decision about not executing child rapists would become a much more common decision on an Obama court. He said this even after Obama denounced that decision. Like you said, it's a lost cause trying to use logic to argue with wingnuts.
AHB: I haven't seen any posts disappearing over at Bring It On! -- but they sometimes have technical problems. I doubt if anyone was censoring your comments.
I'll be over to check out your site. I haven't been doing much online in the past few days.
Erik: True, the Right has been trying to undo every change that's happened in America since the 1930s. In the late 1800s and early 1900s the Supreme Court used to routinely overturn every child labor law that got passed. That's the kind of activist judge the Far Right is longing for.
And yes, it's very eerie that Thomas and Scalia (it's too early to tell with Dumbya's appointees) don't seem to have changed or evolved at all. They're on a mission and they'll spend their lives fulfilling it.
People In The Sun: Absolutely. Even liberals have their standards, and we'll have zero tolerance for limpwristedness in the courthouse.
These are the same clowns that crow about states' rights until a state says gay marriage is cool. Next thing you know, women will be having abortion parties!
Randal: Ah yes, those notorious abortion parties, especially the wild parties they have when it's a late-term abortion. You know how those slutty wayward librul women are. First they carry the child for 7 months and then they say "Aw, fuck it, I'm gonna go get a partial birth abortion instead, but first I wanna get wasted on acid, coke, heroin and speed. Let's party!"
The word out of Washington, reported on NPR, MSNBC and elsewhere, is that Supremes John Paul Stevens, 88, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75, are anxious to retire and are very likely to do so after the new administration comes in.
Having Obama replace those two offers hope the kind of 5-4 decisions we've just seen from the court won't continue or get worse.
It offers even more hope things won't get many times worse because McCain will have added two more conservative, Republican-oriented judges to usually vote in lockstep with Scalia, Roberts and Alito.
SW: Thank God those two will at least wait until after Bush leaves before they retire.
Even if McCain gets elected, Congress should have enough Democrats to prevent him from putting anybody too Godawful onto the Supreme Court.
The Klanservative Fascist scum are just a sliver away from destroying this sinful liberal cesspool. With an uppity darkie like Obama in the saddle, their dream of a Jesusistan fiefdom will surely wither on the vine. We can't have that now, can we?
JR: Nope, we certainly can't allow that to happen. One more wingnut on the Supreme Court and we can finally overturn that wicked Roe vs. Wade decision. Wayward sluts will once again be killed by back alley abortionists, as God intended.
"Even if McCain gets elected, Congress should have enough Democrats to prevent him from putting anybody too Godawful onto the Supreme Court."
I would like to think so, but you can't be sure. New presidents tend to get a honeymoon period. If they come in with a strong victory margin, they have added clout with Congress, at least at first. "The people have spoken," and all that.
Look at Roberts through the eyes of most Americans, which means not all that involved with or interested in politics most of the time. Plus, even less in touch with the makeup of the Supreme Court and its internal dynamics on the way to reaching decisions. To the average American, Roberts was an unusually good-looking, reasonable-sounding, regular guy. It was like the White House had him sent over from a movie studio's central casting department.
Well, that kind of thing done by a new president can make Congress critters leery of making an ugly scene early on. They don't want to trigger a public backlash about them being obstructionist.
All the more reason why it's so important McBush43 not win this election.
SW: True, McCain might try to take advantage of that "honeymoon" period. But that's a 2-way street; the honeymoon is usually over as soon as either side tries to reach too far.
I haven't followed McCain's senate career much, but from what I've heard he has a history of working with the opposition. Supposedly he isn't a polarizer like Dumbya.
In any case I hope and pray that it's Obama and not McCain.
Tom, McCain in the Senate exhibited recurring if not consistent maverick tendencies. Somewhere around 2002 or 2003, he sold his soul in hopes of becoming president. He's so desperate to win over Bush's hard core base, fundamentalist Christians and the Big Bidness wing of the party that he will say and do almost anythihng.
Make no mistake, once elected, if God forbid McBush43 gets elected, Job 1 will be positioning himself to get re-elected. Which means kowtowing to the same forces of greed, darkness and backwardness he wooed to get elected in the first place.
SW: That's a scary thought but you're probably right. Like I was saying, I'm hoping it's Obama.
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