Who Hijacked Our Country

Wednesday, November 04, 2009

The Voters Have Spoken! Obama is Toast! FINISHED!!!

Sheesh, will the “liberal” media dial it down already. Two Republican governors get elected, and you’d think 300 million American citizens were charging toward the White House carrying torches and pitchforks.

Yes it sucks that two large states now have Republican governors. It’s not the end of the world.

I like the Upstate New York congressional race better. The 23rd District hasn’t sent a Democrat to Congress in over a hundred years. This should have been a slam dunk for the Republican candidate, Dierdre Scozzafava.

She was endorsed by the NRA and Newt Gingrich, among others. But she didn’t spew out enough fire and brimstone over abortion and gay rights, so the knuckledraggers kicked her out of their Big Tent. The single-digit-IQ brigade had their own knight in shining armor — Conservative Party Candidate Doug Hoffman. Calling all teabaggers, tenthers, afterbirthers, snakehandlers — here’s our chance to drive out those pansy moderates and Take Our Party Back!

Or as this article described it, Doug Hoffman got his teabags dunked. Democrat Bill Owens, a retired Air Force Captain, will now represent the 23rd District in Congress.

If you aren’t a resident of Washington State, the name Tim Eyman probably doesn’t mean anything. If you live in Washington, Tim Eyman is either a swashbuckling hero, saving Washington’s harried taxpayers from those tax-and-spend bureaucrats; or he’s a M&%$#&F#$%^&#in’ $#!%&%&$#!!#$%$#%#$!!!! There’s no in-between.

Eyman will never sleep as long as there’s still a library, public school, city park, fire department or any other socialist government service that hasn’t been shut down. His latest save-the-taxpayers gimmick got defeated yesterday. It was leading two to one in the polls just a few weeks ago. Thank God the voters came to their senses.

From the few pictures of him that I’ve seen, he looks like that nerdy comedian from several Seinfeld episodes; the one who kept saying “The best, Jerry. The Best!” and “I’ve been working out. I’m huge!”

Anyway, there was an interesting tidbit about him in last Sunday’s Seattle paper. It seems Tim Eyman himself is $250,000 in debt. That’s the amount he spent hiring all of those paid signature-gatherers so he could get his “grassroots revolt” onto the ballot. And now he doesn't have the money. I guess preaching about thrift and personal responsibility is more fun than actually practicing it.

Now before you go, here’s a short quiz (only five questions) you can have some fun with. I won’t give away any answers but here’s a little hint: no matter how sick and twisted you think the Far Right is — they’re even worse.

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Anonymous Jess said...

I was just talking about this elsewhere. If I hear one more pundit talking about state level elections as a referendum on PO, I will scream so loud my VA friend will hear it.

All of a sudden the race in NY-23 which was supposedly a rep comeback from the brink, using a far right candidate, is not being mentioned by the lunatics at the Foxness monster as much as it was elevated over the past couple of weeks. it is now the race that cannot be named. Bible Spice is good for us though, anything she touches turns to shit. I say let her and Darth Cheney pop up their heads once in a while, like whack a mole and we will see seats turn. I mean, this was a seat that has been in rep hands since the civil was. Bible Spice did post on her FB page, that this wasn't an important election after saying her guy would win. The mind boggles, on the non logic that spews from that womans mouth.

We got a new progressive voice here in CA-10 that is a definite yes on the public option as is Owens. Garamendi can go right to it, because he was our insurance commissioner and the ins companies hated him. BONUS

I really hope the other wishy washy dems pay attention to both these races, go along with the platform and you will win. If you remember Deeds ran away from jobs, health care and cap and trade. People did not vote for him because he ran too far right and away from the platform. Let the reps keep putting forth all these far right candidates, then we can get things done ourselves without their input at all.

November 4, 2009 at 4:38 PM  
Blogger Lew Scannon said...

If the Theocrats loss in NY 23 is indication of the political clout of Scary Palin, I think we can all sleep better at night.

November 4, 2009 at 5:43 PM  
Anonymous Bee said...

I took that quiz - great fun, and this week Buzzflash gets some cashola for every correct answer. I'll shut up now before I give it away.

I figure it this way: That NY house seat pretty well trumped, or at least called a draw, with the 2 repube govs (one mine, goldangit, that McDolt).

November 4, 2009 at 6:02 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Jess: Good news about John Garamendi. I didn't know he was still around. (I lived in California until 5 years ago.)

I guess we should be glad when Bible Spice rears her head and campaigns for rightwing causes and candidates. It sure helped the New York 23rd.

Lew: That's definitely an encouraging sign that Scary Palin isn't as scary as we thought.

Bee: I think you're right, that New York house race was more important than the 2 governor races. Even Yahoo! News didn't have anything about it this morning. All they could talk about was Virginia and New Jersey and what this means for Obama.

November 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM  
Blogger J. Marquis said...

I was telling some friends today that the next vote here in Washington state is whether not Tim Eyman should have to leave and never come back.

November 4, 2009 at 8:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well out here in Little California the Democrats picked up another seat
our perennial bridesmaid Lt Governor won the seat vacated by Ellen Taushcer and is now a Congressman. The Republicans predicted a surprise victory but the only surprise they got was they got some votes.

It will be interesting to see who Arnie picks as Lt Governor


November 4, 2009 at 9:17 PM  
Anonymous Carlos said...

What a piece of work Eyman is! Holy shit. And OMG WTF GOP is right regarding that survey!

November 5, 2009 at 2:38 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

If NJ wasn't that important why did the president campaign so much to help deep pockets Corzine?
I guess it was only important to him I guess, or maybe people are just sick and tired of being taxed out of their homes.
"But hey the biggest lobbyist for Cap and Tax, Al Gore, has a solution........more taxes.
Stupid Tea Baggers should stop whining because taxes are good for them."
But hey, can always get another home with an 8,000 tax credit.

"It seems Tim Eyman himself is $250,000 in debt. That’s the amount he spent hiring all of those paid signature-gatherers so he could get his “grassroots revolt."
I guess the PINO could have given him advice on the best way to "organize" a group.
Maybe he should have recruited some school kids to sing him praises .
I hear that has worked well in some other countires, like decades ago. Gotta love all this "progress".

November 5, 2009 at 6:22 AM  
Blogger Holte Ender said...

The turnout in Virginia was a lousy 39% which is always bad for democrats, but NY 23rd was a stunning victory for the sensible wing of the republican party, they showed Palin, Beck et. al., what they could do with their hand picked candidate.

November 5, 2009 at 7:42 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

Reading is socialist, so I didn't even read your post, but I know it was socialist so ha ha ha to you, pinko.

November 5, 2009 at 8:18 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

He is the head of the Democratic party dumbass where have you been? Commander codpiece did it and lost many really important national level seats. I see we are all going to have to give you a civics lesson on the difference and importance of state level and national level elections here. I send things to people all the time through teh toobs. Need me to send you the childrens version of how my country works or something to that effect? I would be more than happy to oblige, my cost and everything.

Now as to the "grassroots" activism and reps don't need blabbity, blabbity, because blah blah, blah. If this is the case, tomorrow on film at 11, I will stand in the middle of Times square and I will allow cameras to tape pigs flying out of my ass, and I will you tube it in case you miss the initial showing of it.

Teabagger can whine all they want. Notice when you see those teabag protests what is missing in the equation? What's that Jess, there is something missing? Why yes, yes there is. Let us see if Lisa can follow the bouncing ball on the screen this time. Well they are mostly old white people with holocaust or jesus is my homeboy signs or whatever signs they can show ignorance with. I did tell you I would let you know what is missing though and I got all googly, so here it is. Young people, people of color, you know those icky brown people we only shoot but don't want them here in, dun dun dun "real" America.

As far as the singing goes, did you know, I'm sorry your brain is probably at maximum overload right now, with having to come up with bullshit to refute facts but Commander codpiece had the same thing happen to him. Oh no, it is a f*ckin nightmare isn't it? I know, I couldn't believe it myself I had to go make sure someone wasn't lying to me. I also saw, now this may require your taking a seat and clutch your pearls for a moment, there was a whole movie that had him being admired and prayed, yes prayed over. No not PO silly, Bush, Jesus Camp, look it up.

The one thing that is making me get all tingly today though, has to be, yes our favorite batshit crazy, crazy eyes is having a *sniff, sniff* protest she had the Dick Armey set up for her. I know, I am all verklempt about it too. Guess what thought, I knew you couldn't, no Lisa, no it's okay, really I'll tell you no need to ask for it. Today is Nov 5th and we have teabaggers and semi violent people in the capitol to see "the whites of their eyes". Know what else happened this day in history. Oh come on, don't be shy, yes that's right the English houses of Parliament got attacked by a guy, funny enough named Guy Fawkes. This has been today's War and Peace saga for the benefit of Lisa. **no no, no need to applaud me, oh thanks.** I'd like to thank the acada...wait what. Oh hell never mind.

November 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

lisa the village idiot urinated,

If NJ wasn't that important why did the president campaign so much to help deep pockets Corzine?
I guess it was only important to him I guess, or maybe people are just sick and tired of being taxed out of their homes.

And the election of dems in state Governorships in 2001 (do some work for a change and look this one up) meant what?

No need to thank me. I am always here to correct your idiocy. The sendoff of Hoffman tells me about what I need to know insofar as any "success" your kind stands to enjoy. Maybe down in Dixie, and up in Idaho and Utah, but in the REAL AMERICA we've had it with you idiots.

November 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

Of course that's the signs you would see Jess but for every 5 of those I could have shown you 5000 that weren't.
So you are willing to foot the bill?
Now I see how you can't relate to struggling families. Still living home I presume or possibly renting?
And to answer that stereotype about how most of those people were
mostly old white people,although I prefer to call them concerned citizens,I guess you didn't really look at them because you have convinced yourself that they are just stupid old white people .
Brown people would get demonized much more if they attended any of those events.
I know a few black conservatives that get blasted on their blogs by white liberals and other black people. In other words they are safer to be closeted because of yes white liberals and their stereotyping.
I know but it's all the rest of us who are the racists.
Here's something for you. The woman who runs the Ta Party movement by me is a single 46 year old mom,an 8th grade Social Studies Teacher and a School Board member and a woman who's mom was a member of the Weather Underground.
You really should be more accurate about who you are labeling before using that broad brush that the left loves to use so often.

November 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

Also I attended the first Town Hall meeting in the country. It was started by people on LI.
It was on the Cap and Trade Bill even before the Health care bill was out. All the signs were against our local Congressman,Pelosi and Barney Frank. All white people by Golly.
Many of us know who is pushing these bills. Obama is the front runner who is very convincing because if Pelosi were doing all the speaking ,everyone would be saying what we all say when she speaks. "How can this dumb b**** have such a powerful position"?

November 5, 2009 at 12:41 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

*yawn* I can hardly wait for lisa's report on how the Obama-owned media is deliberately downplaying the huge, huge crowds who showed up in DC today to back the enormously popular Michele Bachmann in her drive to kill healthcare reform.

They did get Jon Voight to drop by though. What the hell, was Dennis Miller busy?

November 5, 2009 at 1:16 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Lisa I am going to have to virtually snatch your ass bald headed right now. Do you have any fuckin(excuse this the rest of you) idea what is happening today on the steps of the capitol with all the republicans standing around jerking off in the throngs of tea baggers you dumbass motherfucker? No, well let me tell you. I have been on the phone with EVERY SINGLE Jewish congressperson and senator, holocaust group to make known my disgust at seeing a fuckin picture of human beings that had their person taken from them during a horrendous time in history. THIS IS YOUR FUCKIN non racist, ignorant, oh they are only mad about the government control,concerned fuckin citizens.

Oh they only have a couple of people doing that Jess the rest of it is bullshit. Don't get me fuckin started on this bullshit meme, when I have been crying on the phone to people, when I ask them why are you standing doing this and I am getting answers like, oh it was only one sign from that crazy eyed fuckers staffer. DO NOT FUCKIN do it, not today bitch. I hope you are feeling me here?

Don't even get me started on that woman that runs this shit. She has been linked to Beckers and Rimjob time after fuckin time. Not today, not today, will I let your ass off the hook for the incitements to violence and the crap being spewed by your side of the aisle.

Tom, I am so truly sorry I used such foul language here and if you feel the need to censor me, please go ahead and do so, or edit what you feel is inappropriate. I'm just glad I could get this out of me, to that nasty piece of shit here that has decided to go with hate vitriol and division. I have had it up to there and fuckin beyond with these haters. There is nothing that makes me madder than these idiots saying oh it's only 1 person. It was only 1 person that assassinated 2 presidents. It was only 1 person that assassinated a good man only wanting things to be equal for his brothers and sisters.

Using holocaust victims as a retort to health care Lisa is the sign your party has almost, hit bottom of the barrel. I know it is really not the bottom though, because they will sink lower to the bowels on a new day. You know there are times I wish I had some form of religion because I would hope for hell for the whole lot of you ignorami that tolerate this stuff. These people had every human indignity thrust upon them by the likes of the "real" Americans that stood by and watched. These members of the human fuckin race had to deal with their religion being stripped, their homes being stripped from them, they had to deal with the indignity of having their names change to be a star and a number tattooed on a wrist. The final indignity, life being taken from them because of fear of "the other". I'll say it again. Not to-fuckin-day will you come back with we aren't all like that or we all don't think like that or you are using too broad a brush to paint Jess. I'll tell you what, when you see that photo tonight on the news and you will, come back and tell me either my comment here is way out of line or the people using the death of millions to compare it to what will happen here is the same then we can talk till that time I am going to leave you with a little music video at the bottom of this diatribe. I hope you enjoy this, if not I don't give shit one. If Tom does post this after reviewing it, please the rest of you forgive me my language and the tone of this comment. I am not and have never sat by the wayside when hate rears its head. I don't have it in me to sit aside and watch this drivel.

Lisa, this is especially for you today. I hope you enjoy. The rest of you may like it too.

November 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

J: I hope Eyman's credibility is ruined for good this time. I don't know if any of his referendums have ever failed before, but I'm glad this one died.

Erik: That'll be nice to have Garamendi in Congress.

Carlos: Yup, I wish Eyman would go somewhere else, or just go.

Holte: I'm sure glad the rightwing extremists' tactics backfired on them.

Randal: Typing is also socialist. You've been infected; it's futile to resist.

Jess: Good answer to Lisa. That should hold her off for awhile, at least until her next comment. "Jesus Camp" LOL. My wife walking out in the middle of that movie, but I enjoyed it, in some sick sort of way. Sort of like a grisly car accident; I just couldn't stop watching it.

JR: I just looked at the MSNBC story on that demonstration in DC. Boner said "This bill is the greatest threat to freedom that I have seen." And Steve King said "We're not going to leave this Hill until we kill this bill."

Good. Maybe they'll just stand out there in the rain for a few months.

November 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Oh Lisa, after my ranting I did find the little ditty about living at home. Lesson one don't presume ask the question and if I decide I don't want to answer it I will tell you so. Yes I do live at home, as a matter of fact. The home my parents lived in, and is paid for and they left me in their estate along with 4 other properties. Any more questions you would like to have answered on my financial status.I would be very happy to oblige.

Can I or can't I relate to the average family you ask. Truthfully, not in some ways like in the way I never have to worry about finances or anything like that or having a place I call my home. I don't need to be poor or rich to be able to relate to anyone. If you have compassion, empathy and all those yucky liberal values you tend to stand up for the underdog when they have no voice or are unable to stand up for themself for whatever reason. So if you have any more questions on my living arrangements go ahead and if I think you worthy of an answer I will gladly give you one.

November 5, 2009 at 2:00 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

JR, if and this is a huge if, if Tom decides he is going to allow the comment I just input, to go from being a rant to a message on his forum you will see how much coverage the protest will get today and not for the reasons some people might think it will.

November 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

I saw that about Jesus Camp and I didn't agree with that either. The difference is that this was done in government funded schools, which leads me to believe the government may have a hand in it.
Oh but it government funded schools were having the kids sing praises to Bush there would be sheer hell to pay I can bet.

November 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Jess: I guess our comments crossed in the mail, so to speak. Knock yourself out; let it out. I use colorful language myself from time to time.

Yes it's beyond despicable when the wingtards use Hitler and the Holocaust to make their arguments, but they've been doing this for a long time. Nothing is beneath them.

When Bush was president, Godwin's Law was the law of the land. But that law got suspended the day Obama got inaugurated.

November 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Tom I watched it on video at home. Someone had told me about it and I thought they were joking with the things they described. I had to watch it myself to see and my mouth was open half the time. I am not religious at all and I was like how in the hell could a parent allow their kids to go to this thing. It has to be child abuse, the way the tamborine bangers do this to their children.

Camp for me was going to Big Sur, Santa Cruz mountains or Sly Park or the Marin Headlands to get out in nature not being inside, praying to the flat commander codpiece.

November 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

This is it Tom. Where were these same people with the same hate and vitriol when shrub was in office? I should ask our little talking parrot Lisa about that? Where were they when habeus corpus was being taken away. Where where they when free speech zones were set up. Today you can go to a PO rally and see people with guns. WTF is that about and where were these people. I am really truly sorry about the foulness of the language, Bee will tell you, I don't swear often but this is way too beyond the pale for me to sit and be quiet about today.

Hell Godwin's law, they look at you as if you had a zipper on the back of the head when you bring up how wrong they are using the comparison. Half of them don't even know the difference between socialism, Stalinism, Marxism and communism. Oh hell let's face it, anything with an ism attached, they have no clue how to explain it to anyone outside their "special" group of voices they gather around in approval.

November 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

For you Jess:








November 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

I saw you drop your second turd in the toilet bowl with the whole Obama is forcing them crap after being at a town hall. Hey wait, were you the one Barney asked, what planet or arguing with you is like talking to the table, he had no desire to do so?

AGAIN, do you really need me to hold your hand and walk through the governing process of this country? Ah, I guess the last 8 yrs of commander codpiece just ramming things through and circumventing the whole co equal branch of governing thing, got all goggly and confusing in the head for you. It can do that to a person, when the executive branch steps back and forces those lazy bastards to get to work instead of sitting on their thumbs in congress.

They are there to do our work, not collect money so they will be all set in retirement or have you forgotten this?


There are three branches of the federal government. These 3 branches are no, not trees. They have a co share of the government.
1)Executive who preserves and protects the constitution, not the people like shrub said he did. Anyway, I digress
2)Executes the laws that are written
There is more, but sadly I have no teaching credential or the desire to teach you American civics lessons.

2)Congress who write and make laws. They also control the coin in case you forgot that from the last 8 yrs.
Have the power to make war. What what's that you say. Bush did it. No he never would have been allowed to so right now, we are actually having our servicemembers on an overseas exchange program.

3)Judicial branch. They kind of do all the lawyering stuff with determination if laws are good to go.

This has been today's edition of coaching Lisa. Hope this helps with your higher learning Lisa.

November 5, 2009 at 2:25 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

yeah Tom I know what you mean:



November 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

"Can I or can't I relate to the average family you ask. Truthfully, not in some ways like in the way I never have to worry about finances or anything like that or having a place I call my home. I don't need to be poor or rich to be able to relate to anyone".

My point exactly. There is no way you can relate to someone who is living on a fixed income or worried about ther jobs living paycheck to paycheck barely being able to cover food and utilities and then you get someone like Al Gore campainging for a huge energy tax and cuts to their medicare. No way you could possibly relate to that.
These people are expressing fears not hatred and people like you and Nancy deep pockets Pelosi who have no clue sit there and label and diminish them is what is causing any anger.
Typical people who act like they care about brown people but would never stand for them in their neighborhood.

November 5, 2009 at 3:30 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

I wasn't condoning those sigs Jess I was merely stating that you are blind to the people who have good honest signs. You liberals love to paint with that broad brush.

November 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AARP endorsed the Health plan, so much for the old people!


November 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“I know a few black conservatives that get blasted on their blogs by white liberals and other black people. In other words they are safer to be closeted because of yes white liberals and their stereotyping.
I know but it's all the rest of us who are the racists.”

You know a few because that’s all there are. There were a lot more but Willie Horton and Harvey Gant chased them away. I am black Lisa, remembered when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Bill that allowed us to move out of our neighborhood only to see the Republicans, the Conservatives try to tear it down bit by bit over the years. Accepting the Southerners meant having open racist like Strom Thurmond and Jessie Helms. Out west it was Ronald Reagan. The Party never adopted a Civil Rights Platform in order to appease their Southern Converts and now the Southerners are in charge. Those guys have gone but many more have taken their place.

Think about it, there are so few that during any Republican Convention, when they have the national speaker, they had to move all the black conservatives to the front row in order to appear more diverse on Primetime TV.

Or the joke when Obama ran for the Senate, they couldn’t find a black Republican in Illinois to run against him so they went out of State to get Alan Keyes – Everybody’s Black Republican – to run. The same man who accused Hillary Clinton of carpetbagging when she ran for Senator of New York because she wasn’t a resident!

I could fill a book with a lot more examples, except to say there’s a reason why the GOP is majority white and can’t integrate, because blacks don’t go where they aren’t wanted.

As for those poor black conservatives who have to closet? I wouldn’t worry about them. They know what they are doing. The word’s been out in the community for a long time “Join the Conservatives they need black people, they will take very good care of you” It’s quite simple Lisa, the Republican’s have a better Affirmative Action program then the Democrats. Ask JC Watts who was moved to an entry level to a high position in less then a year (He’s the last black republican in the congress) He quit because they treated him like a token.

Michael Steele is a figure head and he knows it. I don’t expect him to last much longer.

There was another Democrat who was getting nowhere and so decided to switch to Republican and soared up to the top in no time. Condoleezza Rice!


November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM  
Anonymous Bee said...

Not to mention that according to today's WaPo (or was it NYT??) Virginia republicans are "pledging" to move to the center. Explain that one to us, Lisa dear.

November 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

You know what Lisa. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I came from an abusive environment. I was physically taken from a home where I suffered at the hands of the people that gave birth to me. I was in foster care for several years before my parents adopted me. DON'T you dare come up here with your sanctimonious shit and tell me of course you can't relate. I told you, if you have empathy and compassion and all those other Christiany things without being Christian it does not matter whit one how much money a person has or does not have.

"These people are expressing fears not hatred and people like you and Nancy deep pockets Pelosi who have no clue sit there and label and diminish them is what is causing any anger.
Typical people who act like they care about brown people but would never stand for them in their neighborhood."

Damn right I am going to diminish them and label them for what they are. If you choose to be ignorant to the fact they are racist and fear mongering blowhards feel free to go to that and keep on going to that. Don't dare tell me what I am doing or not doing with them and their "supposed anger".
Yeah you are right, they are expressing fear and anger, because that is what they are being fed. A daily diet of consistent fear and anger at "the other" from talk radio and people like Sean Hannity, Bill O'reilly and the rest of the lunatics. DO you know why? I'll fuckin tell you why, they have been whipped up into a froth by people like you and the rest of the lunatics on the right, who tell them, oh this is bad here let me tell you why and what you have to do about it.

Where were you when this was happening over the last 8 years? Were you on the same path when old white guy was in office? I'll answer that, you were hoping to be just like the republicans and hoping you could get some of the invisible "trickle down" wealth. Most of these people had not thing one to say, when Bush was in office with the exception of telling those of us against war and some of his policies, we were traitors to this country. I LOVE my country just as much as any "real" American does. You probably were howling at the moon when they went to war. It does not work that way when they are in office EVER, for people that vote against their interests or for whatever bobblehead is talking on the radio and telling them what to do. As far as brown people living in my neighborhood. I am half brown you fuck wit and I am white and UNy. My mother was Japanese American and my dad white. They busted ass to have what they had and I am so fuckin sorry I have money and things to not understand "normal, real" people have, because my parents passed away when I was 24 my father, and when I was 25 my mother and left me comfortable. I am without parents and I tell you what, I would give up every single penny I had in this world, to have my parents back. Don't you fuckin dare talk about me like you know me and what I do with what I have and how I relate to other people. You have no FUCKIN idea what I do and what causes I support, so don't you tell me I don't know what people go through. I care about ALL people just not one part of society.

November 5, 2009 at 7:59 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Not to look show offy here, but I feel I need to get all of this out I'm thinking instead of just really going off on you more than I have already. I will give you one story and one story only of something I have done. I have a tenant in one of my properties that has been on unemployment for months. He and his wife are *gasp* those brown people I supposedly don't care about. They have been there for forever. Their unemployment does not even cover half the rent of the house. They have been living there for free, for about 6 months or so, maybe a little more or less I can't remember. All I know is I told them, when you get another job you start paying me rent again. That is exactly how much I don't care about my neighbor, no matter who it might have been. I don't distinguish when someone needs help, I give it to them.

Bullshit with the signs again. When they are calling for the tree of liberty to be watered, carrying guns to rallies, putting up pictures of, this is Hitler redux and this is socialism and don't kill granny and so on and so on. I don't paint with any broad brush. I call bullshit when I see and smell bullshit. If you don't like that, well that is just to fuckin bad for you. There are more of those signs than any so don't come at me with that crap.

Medicare is not being cut for anyone anywhere. In fact most of the rural states the Medicare monies will be more. Have you even read this bill even a cursory glance at it? I am guessing no. but I might be incorrect with that guess. Medicare fraud is being prosecuted as we speak. There have been multiple arrests already made, to the tune of about 100 million + that will go back into the Medicare fund.

Fraud and abuse are rampant and that will be getting fixed. Medicare Advantage plans and drug benefits money that goes to big ins will be getting fixed. They are overpricing the services to the government for those particular senior programs.

As above, you get the exact same video from me below. No I never even opened yours. I'm guessing it has something to do with children and Obama or something along those lines. In case you don't know, that school had already done this months before, and parents had been notified so they could have opted out of it. It was also butting up against black history month and fuck, we got our first AA president telling kids to stay in school and they were doing a little song, much like Bush did in office. It is a head scratcher that you manage to function on a daily basis to me.

This is how I feel about you and your shit today.

November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

lisa the shit factory produced,

My point exactly. There is no way you can relate to someone who is living on a fixed income or worried about ther jobs living paycheck to paycheck barely being able to cover food and utilities and then you get someone like Al Gore campainging for a huge energy tax and cuts to their medicare. No way you could possibly relate to that.

You fucking idiot, did you look, even a LITTLE bit, at the great mass of "teabag" protests anywhere? There's enough white hair there to bury Connecticut up to 3 feet. These folks are the selfish pukes that thought Chimpy was the new Jesus because he told them that they could have their wars, and their drug benefits, and their policemen and firemen-but they shouldn't have to PAY for any of it. They, and YOU, are responsible for the present condition of the country.

The 3/4 of us who want to see healthcare reform are PRECISELY the people who know the wolf. I can tell you right now that you have few, if any, worries, and probably never have had any. You can deny it all you want, but your stupid diatribes leave me with no doubt as to your utter cluelessness about the world most of us navigate.

What's the deal-did you grow up in Colorado City or Hildale, where they don't let people communicate with the heathen outsiders?

November 5, 2009 at 11:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lisa sounds like she's singing that "Liberal elite" mantra the Conservatives always quote that Liberals drive their Volvo's and Hybrids to the Starbucks, drink Latte's with Hollywood Stars and Leftwing College Professors and laugh at the working slobs who get their hands dirty and go to Church!

While Conservative Billionaires and Rush Limbaugh (worth close to a 1/4 billion on his latest contract) are totally in touch with the common man.


November 6, 2009 at 3:43 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

the problem is we do want healthcare reform. Obama, and Pelosi want single payer. I know it's one in the same to you.
Well Jess I am sorry about your difficult life and it's great you can afford to help out those people. I will not go tit for tat on life experiences because I am nothing but a stupid white person.
Not as enlightened as you are but to lump me and others who oppose this government in a free society as a racist is very ignorant.
All I can say is good luck finding a doctor you like and one that treats you with respect as they all become government employees.
I guess you have nothing against Al Gore Lobbying for cap and tax on the little guy either and do you also want the snobs in Washington to sign onto the healthcare bill they want to force us into?
Your blind hatred for everything not Obama should not be a free pass to anything they want to do. But you will have to learn that for yourself when your next hospital stay is shared by 20 others in the same room ward style. That's if you can find a hospital in a town near you.
That's not fear mongering either that is research.

November 6, 2009 at 6:35 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

"You fucking idiot, did you look, even a LITTLE bit, at the great mass of "teabag" protests anywhere? There's enough white hair there to bury Connecticut up to 3 feet. These folks are the selfish pukes that thought Chimpy was the new Jesus because he told them that they could have their wars"

Hey JR I was at many of them and the majority were not old. Talk about being out of touch.
Now you want to demonize seniors you ignorant fuck?
You talk to your Grandma like that?
You have enough hate for all of us. You Olberman loving douchebag.
I tried to refrain from the name calling but you played my hand like the left always does.

Sorry Tom but they started it,nah,nah,nah!

November 6, 2009 at 7:35 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Erik: Yup, that's us elitists. There's nothing like sitting at my favorite trendy cafe, nursing a few lattes, maybe a few of those trendy martinis -- whichever one is the hippest one this week -- and laughing at the plight of those poor lowly working stiffs. Ah, life is good when you're a liberal elitist.

Lisa: "All I can say is good luck finding a doctor you like and one that treats you with respect as they all become government employees." OK, I'll take my chances.

"I tried to refrain from the name calling but you played my hand like the left always does. Sorry Tom but they started it, nah, nah, nah!" I printed your comment but I would prefer the namecalling got dialed down a little. That goes for both sides, but since this is a liberal blog, I'd probably cut more slack to the commenters that I agree with.

You've gotta admit, this blog, and the late Bring It On!, are among the few liberal sites where conservatives can comment and actually get a logical response instead of "You #$%^&*#!!!" And the first umpteen comments you left here were answered civilly. The namecalling didn't start until after you kept coming back and back with the same recycled talking points.

So you're welcome to keep commenting here, but if I censor one of your comments and don't censor somebody else's comment when they call you names -- well, life is unfair.

November 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Hey Erik, not to get all picky on ya or anything. You forgot my endangered species tiger skinned seated private jet and matching limo I carry under it, when I travel from San Francisco to Sacramento leaving a big old carbon footprint.

If you really want to kind of go all in, here ya go, just some of this things I was called over the last 8 yrs at different protests. Some of the even at the same one. Babykilling,lattesipping,treehugging,

I was really upset at one and only one of them, because I wasn't driving it that day and it was my liberal limo with my fancy French fromage and wine in it.

November 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

AGAIN, no one is talking single payer anywhere, except a couple of people and it is not going anywhere. I wish they were but that was taken off the table immediately because it scared dems and republicans alike. LOOK IT UP, it is there for all to see.

Don't be sorry about my life, I'm not and never will be. I had the best people ever for parents and I have family and friends, in real life and some I have met on these tooby things here, that surround me with love and support and all those other things. I am very lucky in that regard, very lucky indeed. I am not saying you are a stupid white person. Till right this moment I had no clue as to your race, color,creed or any of those other things. That says more about you than it does me when you feel you have to say I am one of those. Did I say it myself, yes I did, to make a point to you because you were so very quick to jump on the conservative point, that you liberal elitits don't want brown people in your neighborhoods. I think you doth use that projection just a tad too far in my direction.

My blind hatred is not for all things other than Obama my darling Lisa. My blind hatred, no, more despair is for "the other" that seems to be left out of all the conversations when republicans come to have a conversation.
My utter contempt is for those who would use a tragedy of epic proportion to mate it with health care to help everyone. When that is shown, I will not run from it, I will confront it head on and tell you where, most likely in bad language if I am angry enough, you are so very wrong.
When I see my brown brothers and sisters hurting, because they have been dehumanized and made out to be the villian via the whole "Cadillac driving welfare queens" I will confront you and tell you where you are wrong.
When I see my aunts, my best friend in the world, a dear friend from the toobs here and many others railed against because of who they choose to love, I will not run, I will confront you and tell you where you are going wrong.
I can go on and on with examples, but frankly after this week, I am just to tired to get in the pit and wallow with the pigs. I'll just get annoyed and the pigs just like it. If you want to get in there and wallow, go to it. Stay there till your fingers and toes get all wrinkly and pruny but I can't summon the energy required today yet.

As far as my next hospital stay being in with other people. I know I shared a little about a forced medical coma I was in last year. I was in the room with many other people, then when I got out of ICU I was put into a room with another person. A few years ago when I was going through chemo for NHL, I was in a room with many people so I don't really know where you are going with that, other than to scare people of the oh no, you are going to have to share your toy with the other children..

November 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

Jess, lisa isn't worth getting angry about. She clearly doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about, and she just as clearly has no intention of ever learning. She's obviously lived her whole life in the safety of the cul-de-sac, where everybody's the same color, and drives the same car, and goes to the same church, and parrots the same talking points, never mind how stupid or how untrue they may be. Most of these people live ten minutes or so from some really nasty places, but they'll never go there-unless it's to point out the windows and ooh and aah about how downright worthless the bums living there are.

I grew up in a country you'll never know. That country was moving towards tolerance, had few if any homeless on the streets, and one could usually survive on a minimum-wage job. Thanks to Saint Ronnie and the Great White Backlash, my country disappeared, and got replaced by this third-world train wreck that righteous morons like lisa seem to think is just the greatest thing ever. She cannot deny that she and her heroes caused the train wreck, because the facts are what they are. So she refuses to learn the facts.

Her kind will soon enough be completely marginalized, because the day of total collapse is coming. When that day comes, a whole lot of people are going to remember all the bullshit they were fed, and start looking for the bullshitters. I wouldn't want to be a Rushpubliscum pundit when that day comes.

November 6, 2009 at 2:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Lisa

“All I can say is good luck finding a doctor you like and one that treats you with respect as they all become government employees.”

Like the Doctors who work for Defense, VA, and various local government and University Hospitals?

“the problem is we do want healthcare reform.”

Really I’d like to know how? It’s obvious that most of us here have been following Repuiblican responses to the Health Care Crises over the last 25 year and there has been very little. They either took Phil Grahams line that “There is nothing wrong with it!’ Mantra’d about Tort reform, ask us to accept an Insurance Company Compromise or The Bush Medicare Plan.

I have never called you names but like everybody else here I am getting frustrated at your attempts to duck the questions. You Demonize Al Gore, Socialism, Obama, George Soros, Labor Unions, and Nancy Pelosi and give them all waaaay too much power.

You criticize us for not taking the teabaggers seriously but I have to question (as we all have) where they were when the Republicans spent us into oblivion. If you are asking hard questions about where your tax money will go for healthcare reform shouldn’t you be asking harder questions like:
Why is my tax money subsidizing American Companies that fire Americans and then outsource overseas?
Why is my tax money subsidizing American Companies who list their world HQ’s on a island that gives them a tax break, it amounts to no more then a P.O. Box and they still get tax breaks as American Companies?
If Government can’t afford premium Healthcare why do our elected Officials get it?
Why do you let our Companies mismanage our pension and you get on WITH increases GUARENTEED!

So here is your chance to perfect forum to give real answers not just sound bites

Tort reform? Only hurts the victim, helps the Insurance Companies and gives no Incentive to cut down on Malpractice. Are you for it? Then explain how you would like to be compensated when a Doctor or an Insurance Company decision injures you for life?

Bush Medicare Plan? God I asked you about this again and again, you refuse to answer or tried to put the blame solely on Bush! Why?

Insurance Company Compromise? Since you demonize us for hating Big Business here’s your chance to speak out! Do you like it, you fully trust the Insurance Companies to voluntarily come up with a plan to reduce premiums and cost? How Long? They don’t say! What will you do if they decide to go back on their agreements and raise prices like the Credit Card Companies are doing?

They have said Let Obama fail and then come up with their own plan IF/WHEN they win the 2012 election! Do you think your Health Care should be toyed with politically because they want to delay? You can really wait?

Then you will be waiting a long time!

I’m not calling you names; I want your honest opinion!


PS you partially answer this, duck this, or get into your pat answers then you will be responsible for the names the other posters call you.

November 6, 2009 at 2:26 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

JR, I know and I really do try to take ignorance of other people's situations into my thinking, when dealing with right wing idealoges(sp). Sometimes you can get through to one person. If I do manage that then I have helped one person to go on and get the information they need to make informed decisions.

I am trying really really hard to determine where did all this unnecessary hatred come from, that all of a sudden popped up Jan 20th 2009. It was not there prior to Obama running for office. These people did not know him, except for his speech in front of the convention in 2004. Other than that, crickets.

When death threats are up against a president by over 400% since he took office, and he hadn't even started enacting any policy changes, no one anywhere can tell me racism has nothing to do with it. Just today, I had to go put gas in my car for a protest I am going to tomorrow in front of a Planned Parenthood, where the tamborine bangers will be, I started as I do telling the guy hi when I went in to get a bottle of water. I asked him, how are you doing today, he is Muslim see. He said he had already been told several times before I stopped in there, to go home and take his terrorist family with him. As far as I know, he was born here, this is his country as it is mine.

I blame this directly on the republicans and more towards John McCain and Bible Spice, for allowing this at every single one of their rallies and not having the testicular fortitude to stand up and say enough. This is not how we will be doing this at our rallies or town halls or whatever gathering.

I sometimes wish they would just say the word, I will not speak, and get it out of their systems, but they are too chicken to do that. It would just confirm what the rest of us know already about their mindset.

She kept the hate going every place she went and is still doing that today.

I was only young when Reagan was in office, but I am seeing the result of those policies in action today. Ahnuld eliminated almost 50 billion I think it is, for needed programs for the poor and disabled here. If he was to bring the taxes up to even half of what Raagan had them at, this state would be half way back to solvency IMO.

Dude even cut a program for diabetic patients, that have a podiatrist cut their toenails that probably does not cost much money.It saves in the long term because they can catch the gangrene before it starts up the leg.

It is ALWAYS on the backs of kids, the poor and the disabled they cut first. Prisons, I cannot tell you how the prison lobby here, has our state legislature by the short and curlies. Of course, it is all private and those corporations make money by sticking people like me, who partake of nature's green bounty on a regular basis, into jails or prisons for doing so. I've not been busted for it but know a few friends that have.

Prisons thrive but they cut back on school funding, the mind boggles with this. Our state used to be if not number 1 then in the top 5 as far as education. It is terrible the way they are just cranking out little rote learners that have almost no critical or problem solving skills. It just goes on and on, like i said, if I can reach just one and have them change the mind about 1 thing or the other, I feel I have done my duty as a citizen.

November 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

I am too tired to argue anymore tonite but Tom may rememeber from another blog that I am not religious...at all!!!!!
And I am not Pro-Life and I actually had brown people living not in an apartment but in my house....with me. So take your stupid racist comments and stop diminishing it's meaning.
I don't like Obama's socialist views and I don't give a crap what color he is. Your party put him there so they can use the race issue. Your party is the race baiters. You always bring it up and use it.
I could say it's a rainy day and you would call me a racist.
Hey Erik then you agree with Al Gore lobbying for cap and trade? It doesn't bother you that he is set to make millions off of it. Of the back of the struggling working class? I guess you missed that Times article about him.
If you are going to advocate class warfare then maybe you should look to your own elitist party for a change.

November 6, 2009 at 4:33 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Lisa if Obama was half the socialist you say he is, I would be jumping for joy. The fact of the matter is, he is trying to be a president to every single American, not just the ones that supported him the way Commander codpiece did.

I have been told by many many republicans I know, that I voted for Obama because of some sense of white guilt. That could not be further from the truth. I personally voted for him because I know for a fact, that when democrats govern they do it with everyone in mind for the long haul. They have disappointed me lately with all the bailouts to people who do not need the tax breaks. I'll give you one piece of information I just discovered I think last week or the week before.

Oh to all of you, I have short term memory loss problems right now because of my head injury. If I say I can't remember, I really will try to find out where I saw said info, it is not because I don't want my facts to be made up, I just cannot remember.

So back to what I found out Lisa, Goldman Sacks paid not one penny in taxes last year. NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY PENNY. These are companies that got your tax money and my tax money because they screwed up. These are the companies that the right side of the aisle wants to protect, not you, not me or the millions of Americans that have seen wages stagnate for almost a decade.

Their is no need for any one of us to be race baiters, when you have such luminaries as Rush Limbaugh singing and dancing along to Barack the magic negro. You can not honestly tell me, that he was put in office so the dems could tag the right as racist. The right did not need any help from us to make this an issue about race in any way shape or form. I mean the man has been called a Muslim extremist a socialist(I wish) and a terrorist loving individual.

As far as the analogy about rain and you would be called racist. I would tell you make sure you have an umbrella and I hope it stops soon. That is just out and out lying, so you either are 1) embarrassed to be called on it.
2) You don't see the racism through those right, rose colored glasses.
3) You are just willfully ignorant of it and have no desire to fess up to it.
Taking people into your home because they have no place to go, I give you props for that. To turn around and start with the liberal elitist meme is just so wrong on so many levels. The reason I say you are wrong, the people that republicans typically vote for, have more money than they know what to do with. People who have so many homes, they can't remember and have to ask their wife(McCain). Those that don't know scanners are in grocery stores (GHWB 41) or don't know the price of milk (GWB43). Those are the ones that buy ranches even though they are afraid of horses to look like Joe sixpack. Those who were raised in one of the most exclusive areas in Maine and then move to Texas and adopt phony accents, those are your elitists right there. Those are the same people that left a city of people to drown while they were enjoying a birthday cake with John McCain on a tarmac. Those are the same people that had a photo op with emergency responders instead of having those responders out doing the responding thing they are paid for. Those are the elitists that don't care for anything other than, when I get out of office I will "have to fill up the coffers". Our last pResident select spent more time on vacation than any other, managed to bankrupt several businesses. Those are your elitists.

November 6, 2009 at 5:07 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

The former VP who was head of one of the most corrupt corporations, who made a ton of coin by getting us into a war he came up with before they even took office, is the elitist. The New Orleans situation was most certainly class warfare and no one can say anything different. The only reason the right says it is class warfare is when the lower classes start fighting for the things they want. They will try to divide and conquer and those who are weak will follow off the cliff like lemmings. Not me, I don't follow anyone anywhere unless I think it is the right thing to do. Look at the past numbers comparing dem governing and rep governing. You will see facts that show when dems are in office, budgets are balanced and the surpluses are there. Reps tend to take it in the other direction.

If you want that as governing go to it, I don't and many like me don't. This is why we fight to get the right people in there to fight for us and get things done.

So the cap and trade bill will add a few dollars to your tax bill. Do you know how much, or will you be going with the elevated amount the right wing is talking about? It seems to me, the right wing is good at the enlarging numbers scenario, apparently a million people went to the protest yesterday when in actual fact it was about 3-4 thousand. It will be about 300 dollars a yr. That is 1 a day to save the planet for you, for me and the rest of us here, along with any kids in the future.

November 6, 2009 at 5:07 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

Jess, lisa is a perfect example of what I call a deliberate idiot. She's stupid, and she's propud of being stupid, and she's going to hiold on to her stupid no matter what you may say or do to pry her loose from her stupid.

Namecalling isn't what one wants in a reasonable debate, but there's no debate here, because you can't debate with fairy tales. So the namecalling, sadly, is appropriate.

November 6, 2009 at 6:44 PM  

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