Who Hijacked Our Country

Monday, November 02, 2009

September 11th, 2001 — The Republican Rewrite

Here is what really happened that day:

On the morning of September 11th, 2001, the World Trade Center was attacked by waves of health reform socialists. Thousands of these pestilent liberals swarmed all over the Twin Towers, annihilating free enterprise and liberty everywhere they went.

In their wake, they left a heartbreaking trail of redistributed wealth and health insurance coverage for millions of previously uninsured Americans. The agony! America still hasn’t recovered from this Day of Infamy.

The Far Right has a new Official Demon™. When the Cold War ended, they needed a replacement for **Communism** and they came up with **The Homosexual Agenda**. Ever since September 11, 2001 **The Terrorists** (i.e. anyone with a dark complexion and a Middle Eastern name) has been their favorite code word.

And now those swarthy Arabs have been replaced. According to Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-Inbred), **Socialized Medicine** has replaced the darkskinned furriner as the thing Americans should fear most. Today on the House floor, she said:

“I believe the greatest fear that we all should have to our freedom comes from this room — this very room — and what may happen later this week in terms of a tax increase bill masquerading as a health care bill. I believe we have more to fear from the potential of that bill passing than we do from any terrorist right now in any country.”

Coming soon: Another one of those spontaneous demonstrations in Washington, DC. Michele Bachmann has summoned her gang of vacant-stare gullible dimwits to gather next week in D.C. They’ve been instructed to show their patriotic love for America and their visceral hatred of inept faceless bureaucrats meddling in their health care. They will carry out their marching orders as directed.

The next moderate pussy to be kicked out of the Republican Big Tent: George H.W. Bush.

In 1987, when he was still Reagan’s vice president, Bush told Mikhail Gorbachev: “Reagan is a conservative. An extreme conservative. All the blockheads and dummies are for him, and when he says that something is necessary, they trust him.”


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Blogger lisa said...

Tom-what is it that you have against Michelle Bachman other than the fact she doesn't look like a man, opened her home to 23 foster children,advocates for the mentally ill,was a successful tax attorney and she shaves her armpits and has a true concern about Washington's out of control spending?
Oh she is an attractive woman with an (R)after her name.
I guess you find that threatening in some way?

November 2, 2009 at 2:35 PM  
Blogger Lew Scannon said...

As we have seen by the words from your troll, the spread of hyperbolic lies and disinformation, as well as misinformation, from those on the right, has created a climate of fear of those too slow-witted for critical thought. Invoking patriotism as they deny millions of Americans the health care that they as representatives of the people receive is bitter irony as these people they supposedly represent die so the politicians can collect more money in campaign contributions from the health care terrorists insurance corporations that run this country.

November 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Lisa: WTF? I'm glad to see your 2-day break from commenting hasn't dampened your ability to go zigzagging every which way and spew out dozens of phrases that have nothing to do with the post.

In answer to your question: Every speech or quote I've ever heard from her is either mean-spirited and/or to the right of Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich.

Lew: That's exactly what Bachmann and her ilk does. They exploit the fears of millions of slow-witted dunces. Millions of dumbfucks think it's "patriotic" than when a person or loved one gets sick, it might mean losing their house and everything they own if the HMO can find a possible way to disqualify them and cancel their coverage.

November 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Lisa, I am going to go ahead and send you a nice shovel for your talking points. Make sure to repost when you get to China, after you get through diggin yourself a bigger hole ok.

Why is it there is the need on the other side, to objectify women and not accept them on their own merits? I have noticed this a lot with the women in the rep party. Why is it the men never get objectified this way? Double standards maybe or is this to get the menz all tingly?
Crazy eyes is a lunatic as is her husband. Do you know how they make their money? Well here are just a couple of facts on miss batshit crazy Bachmann, ready. Hubby told her the law degree wasn't enough and made her, yes made her go into taxes. Hubby makes part of his money with getting rid of "teh ghey" clinics. You know those gays, they are just everywhere surrounding us with "teh ghey" agenda. I think, personally, they get off easy with just recruiting kids their way.** We have to go get pregnant and suffer through nine months, I prefer the whole recruiting angle myself.

** Disclaimer on teh snark in case anyone needs it other than the lovely Lisa.

So crazy eyes, thinks she can get a protest going. There will probably be more people walking to and from lunch. She'll just count them to inflate her numbers anyway. Same thing Orly Taitz is doing on veteran's day, she'll be protesting outside Fox news and Billo.

Virginia Foxx is some piece of work isn't she? She actually stood on the floor talking about seniors would be killed by the government. That wasn't the worst she has done. When the Matthew Shepard(sp) was being introduced, she said it was all a hoax with that poor boy's mother in the balcony. Yes I watch CSPAN that much, it is like crack for me.

Tom, they don't care, they have theirs and everyone else can just go f*ck off. Friday with no fanfare a 680 billion amount was handed out for the wars and not a one of the reps voted against it. Yet they cannot find 60 billion per year for people here.

November 2, 2009 at 4:18 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

"Tom, they don't care, they have theirs and everyone else can just go f*ck off".

BS Jess the democrats don't care either as long as they take ours and "we" can all just go f*ck off. At least that's what their arrogance translates to or do you think there may be concern about adding this legislation to a flailing economy?

Who's going to pay for it all the people who keep losing their jobs?(thank you dems)
Or the rest of the people who are barely getting by?

I know Pelosi(speaking of crazy eyes)plastic face has no stake whatsoever to pass this bill.
Because she really cares about us.

We can't all be on the up and up like your party of transparency and fiscal responsibility.
You know like all that money wasted on Cash for Clunkers and the bailout to Citi Group.
The tax cheats and the Dodds and Frank of the party of 60's acid freaks.
And whatever else they concoct up to oppose their will on us.
Yeah I trust them with healthcare.
Speaking of fear,gas bag Gore is at it again touting that the waters are going to rise to 220 feet if we don't pass Cap and Trade-Stat!

I guess you all miss the wonder years of Jimmy Carter.

November 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

Oh I forgot to add all Bachman is doing is Community Organizing.
I thought you all for that.
Or is it only community organizing when Obama is at the helm.

November 2, 2009 at 5:59 PM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Lisa, morbid curiosity leads me to ask, how do you know what Bachmann does or doesn't do with her arm pits?

As for Bachmann advocating for the mentally ill, that's one way to describe Republican rhetoric, and not just hers.

November 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Jess: Thanks for the info. I never did know much about Bachmann, except that her speeches are so obnoxious. Your information makes her (and her husband) all the more despicable.

You're right, the wingtards are furious about the hate crimes bill too. I'm surprised there haven't been any huge spontaneous demonstrations orchestrated by "Christian" astroturf groups. Maybe there will be.

Lisa: "Who's going to pay for it all the people who keep losing their jobs?" Yes, taxpayers, the same people who spent trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan and the war on drugs and the Prison-Industrial Complex. Maybe a little bit of that money could actually be used to help people instead of sending to war or to prison for a victimless crime.

November 2, 2009 at 7:46 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

SW: Good point, how would Lisa know about Michele Bachmann's armpits? I think she has a little too much information.

November 2, 2009 at 7:49 PM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Tom, regarding the George H.W. Bush quote. That being an accurate enough account of Reagan and his disciples, I guess parental blindness kept Bush 41 from describing his president son as a whack job wingnut so far gone he made Reagan look like Harry Truman by comparison — not to mention George W. being a constant source of embarrassment.

November 2, 2009 at 7:54 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

SW: Yeah, it's too bad Bush 41 didn't try to talk his son out of his rightwing extremism, or at least warn him not to let the neocons hijack his presidency. Bush 41 was the one who described Reagonimics as "voodoo economics" during the 1980 presidential campaign, and he was hated by the Far Right all through his presidency for being too moderate.

I hope the Bush family is finished politically. That would be Dumbya's only redeeming feature.

November 2, 2009 at 8:05 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Oh Lisa, here I come to refute your intellectually dishonest(lies) talking points. Let me enlighten you about several things before I ask you to look into things and quit being a parrot. Citi was bailed out by commander codpiece, same with Goldman Sachs, Gm. What's that you say, no it wasn't. Why yes, yes it was, last year when commander codpiece's crony at the Fed, one Hank Paulson said and I will paraphrase since I can't remember exact words. Oh shit the sky will fall if we don't help these banks, it will be the end of the world as we know it, not the REM song but the bullshit from the right courtesy of Hank.

So back to this huge bailouts that these companies got on the backs of the tax payer. This year these companies stand as of now, to give out 140 billion dollars worth of bonuses. If that was used in typical "trickle down" republican theory it could create 2 million + jobs with salaries of 50k for each person. What's that you say, they could do that Jess. Why yes, yes they could, if they believed in the whole trickle down instead of pissing on you and telling you it's raining.

I don't know what you righties are all complaining about with HCR. This would help you get premiums lower and have insurance companies accountable. We are the ONLY industrialized country that does not take care of its citizens with health care.

Did you manage to go look at that document I was talking about the other day regarding the general welfare of the country, or are you choosing to be ignorant as to how that affects this whole health care debate? I'm only 28, so I know nothing about Carter's term other than what I have read about or researched for myself.

Crazy eyes wouldn't know community organizing if it came and bit her on her ass. This is a woman that chose to hide amongst bushes, when an LGBT protest was going on so she could play McCarthy. She couldn't organize bingo night at her fundy church if her life depended on it.

As far as cap and trade on climate control. Do you think the Lawd is going to save the planet or do you believe in science? I'll go with the science myself since I don't believe the world was created in 6 days. Gotta have a lot of faith to do that, what was he doing the 7th day, popping a cold one and watching the football game? I doubt that seriously. Take your time, I can wait to see what you say to this.

Ah the ignorance about tax cheats too. Most of them are able to do that because of Phil Gramm taking away regulations that had been n place from the 30s. I really suggest you get some time in on the Google. If you don't, we will always knock your butt to the ground with facts instead of bullshit here.

November 2, 2009 at 8:17 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Tom, I don't see the Bushes as finished at all. Jeb will come back somewhere as will George P Bush his son. It is like the revolving door for the kids, same with Liz Cheney. They lie to the poor people that vote against their interests, and some of them will get into office. It is just so sad that they control people, who don't know any better. It's part of the reason wherever I go, if I hear talking points near me, I just have to correct them. It gets me in trouble sometimes but I never let the opportunity pass by.

As far as crazy eyes goes, there are things that would make the hair curl if we knew everything about this idiot I am sure of it. I just am a junky for politics and know all the nasty little details by researching.

November 2, 2009 at 8:22 PM  
Blogger Holte Ender said...

The fact that Michelle Bachman is an attractive woman (I must be missing something) who shaves her armpits, (how would a person know this) is just a distraction, a very Fox News-ish tactic of avoiding talking about what's really important, and what jumped out at me is the fact that Virginia Foxx, must be importing her drinking water from her near neighbors in South Carolina. I wonder if she shaves her armpits too? I must start buying The National Enquirer, because that sort of information is their forte.

November 3, 2009 at 4:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For you Jess:



November 3, 2009 at 6:57 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

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November 3, 2009 at 6:59 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

I think lisa should be an opening act on the Glenn Beck Variety Hour.

November 3, 2009 at 7:22 AM  
Blogger harry said...

Interesting about the personal comments.

"lisa" appears to be paying WAY too much attention to Michelle Bachmans 'grooming' routine.

Pelosi can certainly be critisized on her performance,no need for personal comments.

Tom,I enjoy your blogs,thanks.

November 3, 2009 at 7:43 AM  
Blogger harry said...

Interesting about the personal comments

"lisa" appears to be paying WAY too much attention to Michelle Bachmans 'grooming' routine.

Pelosi can certainly be critisized on her performance,no need for personal comments.

Tom,I enjoy your blogs,thanks.

November 3, 2009 at 7:45 AM  
Blogger Demeur said...

Tom as I see it the republicans will really start eating their own. "Your're not far right enough to represent the party" will be the cry.
And who will that appeal to?
They seem to fail to realize that this nation is headed to a white minority fairly soon and they're not winning any followers with their extremist views. Even republicans I know are ashamed to admit they are members. They'll say they are now independents.

November 3, 2009 at 8:25 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. What a little bit of research would have done for your brain. Now don't let your head implode, explode or do, no matter to me either way, this was introduced by one Phil Gramm, who by the way might have been our treasury sec had Mcpain won the last election, in the senate and one Jim Leach in the house, and it was passed by a guess what* yes a republican majority in what was a 54-44 in the senate and a *gasp majority in the house 343-86 in the initial getting it going. Want to know the final score, I will let you look that up. I have done most of your research for you here and I am no longer in school and I finished my masters thesis a while back, to require any research unless it is my own. Oh yeah and there wasn't enough for Big Dog to veto it, they would have just walked all over him. Ball hit in the line, just out of reach of the tiny racquet Lisa carries "just in case" she meets actual facts. The majority at the time was just too large to overcome a presidential veto. Come on now, got to do better than this, surely you do have it in you, to go up against a woman who only started voting in 2000.

November 3, 2009 at 12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


NOT the SAME Phill Gramm who, when he was McClain's economic adviser, said there was no depression and we are all just a bunch of whiners. Not That Phill Gramm!


November 3, 2009 at 2:39 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

Jess Clinton repealed it in 1999 and yes Bush took advantage of it but still we should not have the same mandates and regulations on small businesses and individuals as on the Big Financial firms.

Like this so-called Health care bill goes way beyond health care. It puts too many restrictions on individual freedoms:
Look at the language in it:

181 instances of "penalty" or "penalties"
--214 times "taxes" or "tax" is recorded
--82 usages of "fee" and "fees"
A total of 486 times any form of the words penalty,
surcharge, tax, fine or fee are used!
422 instances of "require," "requires" or "required"
--78 times the words "obligation" or "obligated" occur
--219 usages of "regulation(s)"
--106 times "impose, imposed or imposes" are used

A total of 609 times any form of the words impose, require,
mandate, obligation, license or regulation are used

This bill is going to be linked directly to the IRS. So basically you will have IRS employees access to you health care.

You think there was corruption in the Financial Industry? Just wait.

How do you feel about that? Or is it okay because Bush isn't doing that do us?

Did you know that Medicare refuses medical treaments twice as much as insurance companies?
I have a problem with government deciding whether they will let me have a certain treatment.
It's too damn creepy to me.

November 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

"lisa" appears to be paying WAY too much attention to Michelle Bachmans 'grooming' routine.

lol Harry it was a joke meant to be she's not a left over liberal hippie from the 60's like many in the democrat party today.

November 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

And just to refresh your memories,I am not the only one who feels this way:


November 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM  
Anonymous Thomas said...

I will follow George H.W. Bush into the fires of hell itself without question or comment.

He's a trained skydiver and therefore good people.

November 3, 2009 at 3:58 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...


Dog, you are a stupid dolt. Your heroine probably got a census worker in Kentucky strung up. That kind of "organizing" used to be done frequently in old Dixie, by people who think a lot like you do.

November 3, 2009 at 4:47 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Lisa, you just don't want to learn anything about how our government is run do you? The reason part of it is linked to IRS is guess what, taxes may go up, so the committee in charge of that has to take that into account. It isn't like some auditor is going to say, wait Jess you can't get your birth control pills refilled this month, or you can't have that scan you need to see if your neck bones have fused properly.

For your information and TMI for everyone else here, I have my armpits and legs waxed and I am one of the most liberal people you could ever in life meet. That doesn't amount to anything. She may be good looking, YMMV, but when she opens her mouth all that is out the window, unless you get the tingles and that is the reason that people vote for her. Pretty sad way for someone to choose a candidate IMO. Same thing with Bible Spice, oh she is so good looking and looks good in skirts. Who the hell cares about that?

Who has said anything anywhere about small business being regulated the way large business will? That cannot be answered because it is not part of any regulation. The financial institutions are the ones that are being told they have to open their books, not the bookstore I frequent with 15 employees. It already is being worked on by Grayson and Paul in the house. Look at CSPAN and the questioning Alan Grayson did on Bernanke. Bernanke could not even answer the question put to him, regarding where 500 billion dollars went other than to say, it went to financial organizations overseas and was handed out by them. He could not name one org that got money.

New Zealand got the equivalent of 3k for every American and Bernanke couldn't answer why this happened when he was asked. What you think about that? The democrats are trying to get answers but they just are not getting them. The republicans at every turn are trying to just obstruct.

Medicare does not do that now, why would they be starting? Would you rather have an insurance company doctor tell you that you cannot have that necessary medical treatment? I sure as hell don't, I want that to be between me, myself and I along with my doctor. Where are you getting all this mandate, fees and all the other figures you are coming up with? Here is just another ditty for you, I learned about this morning on HCR. Republicans want to strip out any tax funded abortion money, which is fine except for rape, incest and health of mom, but Hatch put in an amendment to allow Christian Scientists to get money for praying over people. I am an atheist and I sure as hell don't want my money being used for some cult, to have my tax money for what amounts to praying to an invisible sky daddy to get better. Same thing goes for abstinence education for kids. It DOES NOT work but it still gets funded by my tax dollars. I would prefer kids be taught sensibly about sex and contraception, that is just me and my crazy liberal wanting to educate people ways though. If they knew about these things, there would be less unwanted pregnancies and less abortion because they can access birth control methods.

November 3, 2009 at 5:24 PM  
Anonymous Bee said...

I just had a wonderful time watching Jess steamroll Lisa :)

Jess, dearie, I'm proud to call you my buddy.

Lisa: you really need to sit back and "listen" to yourself sometime. And who is this "we" you keep talking about? Oh, and BTW - laws tend to be couched in those pesky little legalisms like "shall" and "must" and "fee"...read any code book, you'll see what I'm talking about. Because if such terminology wasn't used, well then, the law wouldn't be very...law'ish, dontchathink? Really. Let's take, for example, a law that says "...if defendant is found guilty of murder in the first degree, defendant SHALL be sentenced to a minimum of 25 years, but not more than life..."
That law just wouldn't be the same if it said "...if defendent is found guilty of murder in the first degree, then maybe the defendant can be sent to jail for an unspecified period of time, or maybe the defendant can opt out, or maybe the defendant will go to jail if he/she commits a similar crime again in the future, which might be called a "trigger option"...
Just doesn't really mean much, that second version, does it? Same goes for healthcare reform bills. BTW, which bill were you referring to, in the spewage of various wordings, and are you a bible coder in your real life? If you're referring to the 2000 page House bill recently released, then you might also find, coded, of course, "Paul is dead."

You following me, Lisa darlin'?

November 3, 2009 at 5:47 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

The Daily Mail Lisa, are you for real with this? The numbers were in the tens of thousands that 2 million claim has been rebutted time and again. Hmmm, I am wondering why an anti war rally that drew roughly a million in 2007 wasn't covered by the MSM now and we have tens of thousands of teabaggers get much coverage. Plus an article where the headline is Buckwheat leaves town is not an article I would click on. It is very disrespectful. If you are one of the ones that thinks that is okay in this day and age, you might as well call him the n word and be done with it.

Talking against the policies is ok but this whole racist undertone is disgusting on so many levels. In a few years in this country, PO will be the majority much as my multi racial ass will be. The days of white rule by the doughy pant loads of the republican party, is coming to an end and you guys don't like change at all. People like me will be running things much to the dismay of those who think things should stay just as they are. It's a new world baby and intolerance will be out the window. I'll tell you as I have told others, try and find a country you will fit in, just like I was told for 8 yrs, I was a traitorous DFH. If you are a woman, try one of the ME countries, see how well that works out for ya. Much as I hate the involvement of church and state here, I can always fight against it, with my vote and my voice for the most part even though I am female. Over in other places, not so much.

Erik, yes that very same Phil Gramm that called us whiners is the one.

November 3, 2009 at 6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"This bill is going to be linked directly to the IRS. So basically you will have IRS employees access to you health care."

When I read that I'm thankful that Bush/Cheney did not succeed in their plan to privatize government departments like the IRS with Contract Companies for "efficiency" and to "Save money" (Halliburton Anyone?) that would have access to your private records.

"Did you know that Medicare refuses medical treatments twice as much as insurance companies?
I have a problem with government deciding whether they will let me have a certain treatment.
It's too damn creepy to me."

And Yet many people are writing congress saying "don't mess with my medicare!" and "keep government out of my medicare!" Go Figure Uh?

I am on Medicare, and thanks to the Bush Bill that married private insurance with Medicare, (I keep posting that and you keep ignoring that) I was on the phone with an senior medicare legal advocacy group the other day explaining my problems with denials that are CONTRARY to Medicare policy and how I've had to call Medicare and get them overruled. Seems these Companies think they are still in the private world denying for profit.

The difference between Medicare and the Private Insurance companies is that Medicare has written Policies unlike the private Insurance companies that deny for no reason and then make you fight them - that's what people are complaining about - not the number of denials but the reasons

The advocate told me how many legal complaints they filed this year and how some companies will not allowed to carry Medicare Insurance for abusing their policies. Advocacy Groups have to fill in, because the Bush Bill left Medicare's hands tied as to how much they can regulate these companies - so this group steps in and files the legal challenges AND NO THIS IS A VOLUNTEER GROUP, NOT MADE UP OF A BUNCH OF MILLION DOLLAR TRIAL LAWYERS TRYING TO LINE THEIR POCKETS!

I also keep in touch with my Congressmen who's a key chair in this Health Care debate about these Abuses so that he know the Republican "Fix" isn't working!


November 3, 2009 at 8:08 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Jess: Excellent comment and information. But I hope you aren't trying to convince Lisa of anything; you'd have better luck talking to a wall.

You could be right about the Bush Crime Family not being finished politically. The public has an amazingly short attention span.

Holte: Ah yes, the National Enquirer. Space aliens who mated with Elvis, the latest warnings from Foxx and Bachmann -- it's all there.

Lisa: Are you sure that's the link you wanted? It spells out the fact that the law making the 2008 economic meltdown possible was passed by a Republican Congress with more than enough votes to override a veto if Clinton vetoed it. We already knew that. Welcome aboard.

Randal: Opening act for Glenn Beck, LOL.

Harry: Thanks.

Demeur: That's exactly what they're doing, yelling at each other for not being far enough to the right. When Newt Gingrich is one of the "moderate" RINOs, things have gotten scary.

Jess: What's this "research" you speak of? That's too hard. It's more fun to just turn on the TV (the one that only gets Fox News of course) and yell out "what color, Sir?" when Glenn Beck yells "Shit!"

Erik: Yup, one and the same.

Lisa: Cool picture in the Daily Mail link. I remember that. Wait, don't tell me -- Night of the Living Dead, right? Either that or Village of the Damned. Cool flick; thanks for the reminder.

Thomas: Bush 41 was a skydiver? I had no idea. I knew he played baseball in college, but other than that he never struck me as the "physical" type.

Jess: No, Lisa is right about this. Under this draconian healthcare plan, the IRS won't let people get their birth control prescription filled or their spines operated on :)

"Where are you getting all this mandate, fees and all the other figures you are coming up with?" Hey, between Fox News and WorldNetDaily, what else does a person need?

Bee: Yup, good steamrollin'. I'm glad we're on the same side :)

November 3, 2009 at 8:28 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Erik: Good explanation. Thank God Bush-Cheney didn't get to do half of the privatization they had intended.

November 3, 2009 at 8:33 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

:) Bee, ya know I love you too, it just amazes me that people just don't want to know how things work here. I am seriously siding with the people that say, there should be some kind of test before you are allowed to go to the voting booth. Either in your state or city, if you don't know the issues then broop out the door you can't vote. I know that isn't a democratic(small d) way of doing things but it would assure intelligent ways of going through and getting information before you voted. Instead we have paste eaters and mouth breathers that will always, always vote against their own interests. I mean, you can go look at charts all the way back and see under republican governing the country went to shit every time and under dem governing, it thrived. There just has to be something that makes people vote against themselves.

November 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Maybe next time I go get it refilled I should just ask my ob/gyn for 10 yrs worth. I could always have a child every year or so though. I only want 1 maybe 2 but hey, I could have myself my own little liberal minions.

As far as research and Fox news, we all know that is a big old joke, well most of us do anyway. I spent enough time in school, researching all kinds of stuff, I just don't have the energy to do it for others. Schooling is a hard thing for some people. You know, some idiot said "is our children learning", sadly not all of the childrens is learning. I know I am talking to a wall, but you know what, it exercise vital organs, you know, my heart (blood pressure) my brain, my most important organ or so I have been told. I do it for myself to stay up on things and it pleases me to no end, when I can spit facts out against bullshit.

November 3, 2009 at 8:54 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Jess: Since the 2004 election (probably a long time earlier but I just hadn't articulated it) I've thought there should be some sort of aptitude test at the voting booth. Not intelligence per se, but some sort of gullibility test. There has to be a way to measure it. There has to be a way to weed out the simplefucks who hear a meaningless soundbite and go "Ugh! Duuhh! Bad!!" Those are the people who keep wrecking elections for the rest of us who have actually studied the issues and actually thought things out. I say send them back home to watch their soap operas and game shows and tractor pulls or whatever floats their boats. I don't care what they do as long as they don't vote.

November 4, 2009 at 12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe people just don't want governnent run healthcare.
Maybe if they showed some concern instead of calling people astro turfers and tea baggers.
That isn't a mob of racits KKK people. Many people were fooled by Obama campaining fromm the center BS about tax cuts and then taking a hard left. Has nothing to do with his race.
Hillary would have tried to pass the same bill and all those people would still have been there.

Those people are insulted when the word racist is attached to them.The left uses that to end the conversation.
I know people who were there and the DC police told them they never had a crowd this large. But being you or I weren't there we just have to listen to what we are told by the media or people who were actually there.

November 4, 2009 at 7:01 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Anonymous: "Maybe people just don't want governnent run healthcare."

Well that's fine; everybody wins with the reform package Obama and the Democrats are pushing. You're presumably talking about the public option, since that's what has Conservatives' panties in a twist. Notice that the second word in "public option" is......"Option."

See? Nobody is being forced to have government-run health care if they don't want it. It's just an "option" for people who don't want to be dropped by their HMO after ten or fifteen years of paying their premiums.

November 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Know what anon, when a song is sung about Barack the Magic negro and witch doctor photos photoshopped with his head and republicans taking monkeys to campaign events for Bible Spice, you're right how could that EVER be interpreted as nothing more than a fun prank while waiting in line to see her. Or when his full name is used at events by people, in positions of authority in the rep party. Hitler mustaches and guns at rallies he speaks at. He has the name similar to Bin Laden and so on and so on, yeah you are right, nothing, whatsoever at all to do with racism, just a fun way to get through a boring day.

Option=choice or are most of the Beckers and bobbleheads too stupid to open up a dictionary and see this would be their choice. Oh wait, they don't like choice unless it is them giving us the choice of the religious drivel that comes out and when we say something back those tamborine bangers for Jesus say they are being persecuted. I see, choice for all as long as the choice is mine to say or do what I want but not you. Now I get it. Now back to HCR and the tea baggers. This wall all orchestrated by the right wing. Don't believe me, go look into Dick Armey(I know the irony will be overlooked by some) or look into Frank Luntz and his memo to the reps. We can show people we are empathetic to their concerns, but do itjust enough so you can blow smoke up their asses and not pass anything. I was paraphrasing there, but it is close to what his memo outlined for the talking points of the right.

I'll give you the same offer, I extended to Lisa. Let me send you a shovel and you can repost when you get through all the way to China. kthxbai

November 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM  
Anonymous jess said...

Dammit, forgot the most important part and more of those dreadful dreadful facts. Either a) lies from the friend b) lies from the DC police. The reason I know this, there was a little event back in January, that they must have seen was the largest event they had seen. It will come to me, what it was, I didn't go to it because they had a homophobic bigoted assclown there leading the prayer. My family did and said they had never seen a crowd as large as this one ever. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to that tiny gathering that was just a blip on the DC peace officers duties that particular January day. I swear I have it on the tip of my tongue here but just CANNOT seem to remember what it was. Oh yeah now I do, it was the inauguration of the man, that is setting wheels and heads into super spin mode on the right side of the aisle.

November 4, 2009 at 11:38 AM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Jess: Give 'em hell. You nailed it about Dick Armey and especially Frank Luntz. Virtually every rightwing anti-HCR scare tactic and talking point is straight out of Luntz' instruction manual. Last Spring (or maybe earlier) he instructed his drones to recite these talking points, and they've all carried out his orders like good little bots.

November 4, 2009 at 11:39 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

They would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for those pesky facts ;0. This is just the day for me to get all spun about the right wing and how intolerant they are. I stayed up till almost 2 this morning, with my best friend in the world each of us asking the other, how can one person take away the right for another to marry who they choose. Both of us sobbing thinking why is this even being voted on. I am in a foul, foul mood after prop1 got way too many yay votes, so I pity the right winger that goes up against me today. They are in for a world of hurt, cuss words and all today.

November 4, 2009 at 11:48 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

Tom-The HC bill will start out as an option as it started out in Canada. The gaol is to put private insurers out of business. Private business cannot compete with government because government has endless funding.
So if they really want to help why don't they try some common sense reforms and give the people who need it a safety net and it's not really 47 million from what I've been hearing but it sure sounds horrific doesn't it?
Someone I know (my sister in laws sister)can get insurance for 50.00 per week through her job but she can't afford it. It may interfere with her trip to Ireland,her cruise and her Broadway shows.
You know they want to pay for the things they want and want the government to pay for things they need.
There are so many things we can do especially since most people are happy with the insurance they have now.
Jess Barack the Magic Negro isn't to make fun of Obama it was done to make fun of the "reporter" who was the one who wrote it in the "LA Times."
It's the same reason that some say mmmm,mmmm,mmmmm after they mention Obama making a mockery f the fact they had school kids singing this.
I know it's nothing as bad as what was said about Bush but then again he deserved it didn't he? Every republican does I guess.

November 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These Tea baggers and their supporters have no problems with their Tax monies being wasted subsidizing Million and Billionaires who don't want to pay taxes. They see the problems as welfare cheats, (anybody on welfare actually) and illegal immigrants.

They see the high price of Gasoline as being from Greedy Arabs, never accounting from subsidized, tax deferred oil companies, raising prices and making obscene profits

They don't question huge Military Budgets that go to Kellogg, Brown and Root - Not to the Soldier, they are concerned more about Gay Marriage.

They will point at any Ghetto and say "that's where the drugs come from" without question how they got there in the first place or how they got to the suburbs.

They will point to any Barrio and hollar "illegal immigrants are sucking your tax dollars" without asking who's employing them, and why aren't they being prosecuted for doing so. (and many of them are on the fortune 500).

So they see a Health care plan as helping people who don't need it, without asking their own representatives "if the Government health plan is so bad, why do you have it?" (they can opt out!)

These are the people that scapegoat others!


November 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM  
Blogger lisa said...

Erik if they wanted to help people that need it they can spend 18 billion a year but nooooooo we need to have no money to suite the socialist agenda.
Guess who said that?

November 5, 2009 at 7:36 AM  

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