Religious Fanatics Demanding Death and Vengeance
There are just too many whacked-out delusional religious crazies out there. And it seems to be getting worse. Demanding the death penalty just because of a religious disagreement, or a perceived insult?
Take this asshole (please). This douchebag prays for the assassination of a foreign leader. When another foreign leader nearly dies from a stroke, said douchebag starts gloating that the stroke was “God’s punishment.” And whenever a natural disaster strikes ANYWHERE, this same sack of shit just drools with vengeful delight — this hurricane/fire/flood was God’s way of punishing those sinners.
And we all remember when this doctor was executed by a religious zealot. He was murdered because he performed a medical procedure that some Christians believe is wrong. His murder took place after numerous death threats against him and his colleagues.
Lots of Christian families send their children to summer “camps” where they get indoctrinated and programmed to hate anyone and anything that’s different or “un-Christian.”
Oh, and in Sudan, thousands of crazed imbeciles are demanding the death penalty for a British teacher living in Sudan. She had “insulted” Islam by allowing her class (of 7-year-olds) to name a teddy bear Mohammed. WTF???
And don’t think it’s any different here. It’s too easy to think “oh, that’s just a primitive country ten thousand miles away. What's with those wacky Moslems?”
Here is what separates us from Sudan: We’re a prosperous society living under a secular democratic government (for now at least). Let’s keep it that way. There are lots of crazed extreme "Christians" who would just love to turn our government into a theocracy. Don't think "it can't happen here."
Maybe we should have an international gladiator festival. James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps — and their demented followers — could have a bloody fight to the death with their Moslem counterparts. The bloodier the better. The sickfucks could realize their lifelong dream of Killing The Enemy, and the other 99% of us could just get on with our lives.
cross-posted at Bring It On!
posted by Tom Harper @ 12:09 PM
19 Comments:
I have said for a long time now that there isn't an inch of difference between Osama's philosophy and the philosophies of most of the Elders of Jesusistan. Osama and Pat would undoubtedly be kinsmen in no time if they ever had to talk to each other.
Good post.
Those "religious right" leaders mooch upon the innocents of their flocks, be it at camps or universities to draw their mind from true Christianity, to the politics of power.
Jolly Roger: Yup, the only thing that separates the Osamas and the Pat Robertsons is that -- for now at least -- the Pat Robertsons are held in check by a secular government. Let's hope it stays that way.
Larry: Thanks. You're right; political power is the only thing that matters to the Christian Right.
Hey, I have a different take on this. Yes, Osama and Robertson are insane fanatics, but I believe if you got them in the same room they'd kill each other. I know it might sound cruel, but maybe if we could get all these crazies together, they'd blow each other's brains to pieces and leave the rest of the world in peace. Am I being too mean?
Our Christian fanatics aren't much different in my mind than the Islamic fanatics are. They all want power, they all want to control all of civilization. Or else they want to hasten the end of the world, maybe because they are so insecure in their beliefs that they have to try and make the prophecies come true? Who knows what goes on in their brainwashed minds.
These people don't represent the majorities of Christians )or Muslims), either. They represent fairly small percentages... yet they seem to wield enormous power in their own countries. Why should this be? Why should closet reconstructivists like Pat Roberstson and James Dobson have so much influence on our national policymakers? And then they and their insipid followers whine and cry and moan about being PERSECUTED.
How can the roughly 80% or 90% of the American population who professes to believe in a Christian god be PERSECUTED by the 10 or 20% of the rest of us? Talk about ridiculous. What are they so damned afraid of? I can tell you this, I am afraid of THEM. If they had their way, people like me would be put away in camps.
There is nothing wrong with being an atheist, agnostic, skeptic. Nothing wrong with it at all. Agnostics, skeptics and atheists and whoever else makes up the small percentage of Americans who aren't Christian? We tend to be peaceful people who just want to mind our own business. We have rights just as Christians have in our American system, at least for now.
I like the gladiator idea. Let them all fight it out in a stadium, last one standing wins, no holds barred, etc. Let's do this before they bring about Armageddon according to their warped interpretation of the hallucinatory Book of Revelation.
If you have read that book, you'll know what I mean. It's like the author was high on some kind of bad psychedelics, way out in the middle of nowhere, just freaking out... I have read it several times, and I still have a hard time thinking of it as anything other than somebody's drug-induced hallucinations. And here it is the one part of the bible that seems to drive so many of the loons in their destructive quest.
It concerns me that after almost eight years of having one of these types in the White House, Huckabee could be gaining in popularity. My guess is that in a general election he could get about all of the hardcores, which I have read make up from 15% to 18% of our population, and I would guess another 20% or so who would vote for him simply because he is not an evil fucking satanic liberal commie-loving Democrat. I do think Huckabee could have a tough time topping 40% in a general election, but we live in a crazy country in crazy times, so you just never know.
Kip: That's what I'd like to see. Osama and Pat Robertson clubbing each other, breaking each other's ribs, stabbing each other, you name it. Let the sickfucks battle it out, since the other 99% doesn't care anyway.
Snave: I think the only thing standing between us and Sudan is our secular government, and God knows how much longer that's gonna last. Every religion has its fanatics, who probably represent one percent of that religion. But that one percent sure does wield a lot of political power. And on top of that they complain about being "persecuted" by the rest of the population, who's probably just trying to avoid them.
The one thing I like about Huckabee is, he might drive a wedge between the Christian factions. He seems to actually believe the parts of the Bible that talk about helping others. The Religious Right looks pretty stupid when they try to refute Huckabee, since they want all wealth concentrated in the hands of the wealthiest one percent, and yet he's quoting from the same book that they're using. They're gonna have to do some serious spinning.
It's perfectly normal for a group of people want to return to an idyllic past when faced with uncertainty. religious fanaticism doesn't come out of a state where everyone is doing fine. religious leaders (bin Laden and robertson) prey on the people that are feeling the uncertainty for their own personal gains. Robertson wants money and bin Laden genuinely wants all Americans to die. Robertson courts the uneducated, white, blue collar workers who are losing their livelihoods to outsourcing and immigrant workers, and bin laden courts poor, middle eastern men who have no other way of making a living other than to become a martyr.
They are both doing the same thing only reading it out of different book, even taking actions in the name of the same god. I agree, they would be great pals if they could get together, they'd probably share marketing strategies.
Tom, that is an excellent idea. Both sides love to swim in the imagery of the Crusades? Fine, have another one. We can ship them all to the middle of the Sahara and let them duke it out.
As for Huckabee, I'm starting to come around to the idea that he might indeed drive a wedge through the wingnut brigade. A third-party run would be especially lovely.
Illnoise: That's a good analogy. They're both manipulating large groups of people who are poor and frustrated and need something to lash out at. They both create a scapegoat -- terrorists, Islamofascists -- that these people can blame for all their problems.
Randal: Yup, ship them all out to the middle of the desert and let them have at each other.
Huckabee sounds like the perfect spoiler candidate. Hopefully he'll drive a wedge between the Christians who actually believe what the Bible says about helping others, and the phony "Christians" who only use the Bible as a soundbite for manipulating people.
It certainly can, and is, happening here. Tom DeLay openly said he wanted all of America's schools to be religious. The far right has succeeded in getting their stealth candidates appointed to school boards. Here in Texas (and elsewhere) the school curricula are being decided by Fundies who want creationism to replace science. There are rumors of concentration camps being built around the country. The PNAC crowd modeled this whole thing after the Third Reich, and the Meskins, Muzlems, and queers are the new Jews. I wonder if we're going to make it with another year of Bu$h in office, and if we will actually have fair elections in '08.
Candace: You're right. The hatred that spews out of some rightwing "Christians" -- God help us all if those sickfucks ever came to power here. We'd be totally indistinguishable from Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Yeah, those stealth candidates are everywhere. It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. School boards, county governments, city councils -- they're worming their way in.
That is the best idea for a reality show I've seen in a looooong time, Tom. You should market that.
I thought I was the only one who wanted to see the right-wingers duke it out with each other...at least I'm not along. :-) Maybe James Dobson vs. Rush Limbaugh vs. Pat Robertson vs. Osama bin Laden vs. Moqtada al-Sadr--a five-way Texas Tornado Match! Ohh, I'd pay my hard-earned $49.95 to see that one on PPV!
Miss Kitty: Cool. I'll watch that on PPV too. Count me in.
I like to say that that fundamentalists are more mental than fun.
You know there is a large group who wants to execute that British woman for the great big sin of naming her teddy Mohammad.
I'm onboard with Kip. Let's put all the wacko's from every kind of religion on a boat and then sink it.
I'm so sick of people sticking their noses in other people's business. No matter what it is. Worry about your own crap and leave me alone with mine.
Anna: More mental than fun, LOL. That sounds like a plan, putting all the religious wackos into a huge boat and then sinking it.
I hate to say this but you can throw in the Vatican in this group. Many of their most extreme beliefs are right up there with the others mentioned - in fact! In many cases they did it first!
I don't think there will be a fight if you put Pat Robertson and Osama bin Ladin in the same room because they can find many things they can agree upon:
- Women are second class citizens
- Money Talks
- Education is dangerous
- There must be a lower class
- They both hate Jews and Atheist
Erik
Erik: No doubt, the Vatican is right up there (or down there) with the worst of them. From my own experience, most Catholics I've known are liberal. They're caught up in all the Biblical prohibitions but they also care about people, helping others, etc. But the Catholic establishment sucks. Look at how they've looked the other way with all those kiddie-diddling pervert priests. If 2 adults engage voluntarily in that behavior, it's the end of the world. But if a man forces himself onto a child, it's "hmmm, well, we'll look into it." Bunch of sickfucks.
I am with Randal and Miss Kitty on this one. It should be like the old MTV program "Celebrity Death Match". Remember that one? Heh! Lots of blood and guts. I would definitely watch such stuff on PPV.
I think the last person standing would be the winner. So, because each side would be so fanatically DESPERATE to win, it could go on for a long time, as each side continually sent reinforcements... until there are no more Islamic or Christian fundamentalists left. It WOULD be fun to watch, with individual leaders duking it out... I'd love to see Ralph Reed or Pat Robertson try to physically kick ANYONE's butt. However for it to be truly effective and meet the needs of all humans who are not Christian or Islamic fundamentalists it would have to be an all-out war between the fundies. Confining it to a vast area such as the Sahara would be a great idea; it would need to be contained, after all. No spillage allowed.
It could end up being kind of like a "rapture" for the rest of us. We wouldn't all be "going to Heaven" to see "God" or "Allah" (who if they exist are probably one and same anyway) but it could be like "heaven on Earth" for the rest of us to be rid of all the religious nutcases. The rest of us just want to go about living our lives, after all.
Huckabee? I think he definitely could drive a wedge into the GOP, but I think it would be more between those Republicans who are fundamentalists/evangelicals and those who are not. If he is frequently talking about things in religious terms, of course that will make him the darling of the evangelical voters, and the fiscal conservatives who are tired of all the religious b.s. in their party would probably feel like they had to go along for the ride and support him. They know they can't win a presidential election and put their punitive economic policies into place without the support of evangelical voters. It is an unholy alliance, but it works to the advantage of both the religious wingnuts and the fiscal wingnuts.
Thus, I see Huckabee driving a wedge, but not a big or sharp enough one to split the Republican party. Sadly, as he gains popularity he gives the religious nuts a reason to shout wildly and go to the polls. Should he get the nomination I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the presidency despite voters having already seen what a religious loon can do to the U.S. in eight years of being president. I'm not saying Huckabee is a loon simply because he is a religious fundamentalist; he may well be a loon, but I think Bush is definitely a loon because of his religion and other factors.
If he DOESN'T get the nomination, I think this is where things could become interesting... I am sure a lot of evangelicals would urge him to run as a third party candidate... but my hunch is that he is probably enough of a "party first" guy that he would decline to do so, and that he would tell his supporters to vote for the GOP nominee. And, being the man of God that he is, they would listen to him and do as he said.
Snave: Yup, a Celebrity Death Match for all fundies of all religions. Like you said, it would be Heaven on Earth for the rest of us since our lives wouldn't be blighted by a bunch of book-burning stone-throwing nutcases.
I think Huckabee might really drive a wedge between Christians. There really are a lot of them who believe in the other 99% of the Bible that talks about compassion and helping. They may vote for the rightwing Corporate Christians, but if they had a choice they'd go with Huckabee. And Huckabee is disliked by the rightwing "let 'em eat cake" crowd that claims to be "Christian." I think this Christian/Big Business alliance might start unraveling. One can hope anyway.
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