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Sunday, November 08, 2009

When Bad Behavior is Encouraged and Enabled

It’s become a tired cliché for older people to complain about today’s spoiled brats, especially in comparison to their own rugged childhood and strict upbringing. “My folks whupped me if I got out of line,” etc.

But maybe things really have gone too far the other way. This article talks about low expectations becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. The result is bad behavior which often continues into adulthood.

"Negative expectations on the part of both parents and children predict more negative behaviors later on,” according to a psychology professor.

The same professor also said, "Sometimes parents expect more negative behavior from their own adolescents than they should…”

Maybe some of the old adages were true after all. Who among us never got that stern parental warning: “Careful! What if your face froze in that position???”

And sometimes these badly-brought-up uneducated rubes get together with like-minded friends. The results are not pretty.

And now, Republican leaders are going over their to-do list, making sure there isn’t a single group they haven’t alienated yet.

Women — Check.
Hispanics — Check.
Blacks — Check.
Working people — Check.
Non-Biblethumpers — Check.
People with foreign-sounding last names — Check.
Jews — Check.

Apparently, some of those politically-correct oversensitive Jewish leaders are getting a tad irritated by the rightwads’ constant comparisons of Hitler and Obama. Gee, ya think?


Blogger lisa said...

Wah,wah wah!
And now, Republican leaders are going over their to-do list, making sure there isn’t a single group they haven’t alienated yet.
Okay let's see the Republicans don't want federally funded abortions. But wait that will alienate women because that means they are sexist and we can't alienate black people because many of them can't afford to get one. But the Hispanics may not like it because they are mostly Catholic. So maybe we should give the Hispanics sub prime loans to buy homes so they won't care as much. But do they have to be legal because we don't want to leave out people who are her working hard and paying sales tax like the rest of us.
Wait then what do we say to working people about who will be paying for all this funding?
I like the dems idea the best-Give everyone something except the working people and the Bible Thumpers.
Works for them.

November 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

I was going to go eat and then I saw the Hannity and Back pics, put me into not having an appetite. Thanks for that :). As far as bad behaving teenagers, well d'uh were we not all sometimes badly behaved. I am still that way and am in my late 20s. don't forget the one armed midget demographic the Steele talked about in one of his speeches Tom. They really are getting into just pissing everyone off aren't they?

November 8, 2009 at 5:33 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Lisa: I was all set to answer your comment, but my Google Translate menu doesn't have a "Lisa to English" selection.

Jess: You're right, some of those pictures aren't meant to be eaten to :)

November 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

"Wait then what do we say to working people about who will be paying for all this funding?"

They don't want federally funded abortion, so they can keep us little defenseless women from making mistakes and relying on the big menz to help us get through the day, making decisions for us.
My best guess would be the same people that funded, to the tune of 680 billion this week for 1 yr, yes 1yr of desert adventures where we don't have to be. So if we get this right, a 680 billion fee for war =ok. The same people in the senate that want our tax money to go to some religious cult, to allow them prayer healing sessions, instead of scientific medical care. I could go on and on with this, I won't because you have no desire to have a substantive conversation.
100 billion per yr for health care for 96% of Americans = not okay. Hmmm, wonder what it is I am seeing wrong with this picture.

Yes Lisa, it IS very sexist, in one fail swoop, men* in our government, have decided that they have autonomy over their bodies but you and I are not worthy. Maybe it is because we are just "little wimmyn" and we don't know how to decide what is good for us. Ayup, I would say not only is that stupid, being women are 50% of the population, it is misogyny at its finest. If you want to be told what to do with your own body and go along with that, more power to you. I can decide for my own damn self what I want done with mine.

* This does not affect any progressive men that believe in a woman's right to choose. This is for the men that believe the Adam and Eve story was just the starting point for us evil women.

November 8, 2009 at 6:18 PM  
Anonymous Bee said...

I love following Tom's links, you never know what you're going to get, and it's usually a big LOL :)

How come repubes always look so sweaty or teary?

Anyway, I have a republican co-worker, talks about what a waste of flesh her daughter is. I'm thinking "gee, do you think she ever heard you talk about her like that? My guess is yes."

November 9, 2009 at 3:43 AM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

lisa! Excellent job of completely ignoring the racism of your heroes. I think, after the latest protests, that I'm not engaging in hyperbole when I send you and your teabagger inbrederen a great big old SIEG HEIL!!!

November 9, 2009 at 6:16 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

Jess I don't think governemnt should be allowed to tell what we can do but I don't believe we should federally funded abortion unless in cases of rape or incest. That doesn't mean you are sexist or racist.Although I wouldn't mind them funding birth control.

November 9, 2009 at 7:02 AM  
Blogger Demeur said...

But they are sexist. They voted to put corporate profits over rape. If you work for a large corporation and you sign their waivers you can't sue them if you get raped on the job. Just look up the Frankin Ammendment. He tried to put a stop to that. Guess what? It was removed from the bill by you wonderful republican friends.

November 9, 2009 at 11:25 AM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Tom, your point about Republicans alienating more and more people is one they had better reckon with. From what I've seen a clear majority of us want comprehensive, effective health care reform with a public option alternative to commercial insurance.

If Republicans succeed in frustrating the public on this, they might end up with a Pyrrhic victory.

The first consequence could well be to keep them marginalized to the fringes and shrinking indefinitely — a fate earned the old-fashioned way, by sticking it to most of their fellow Americans at every opportunity and for a long time. The second consequence is likely to be creating a backlash that in a few years results in us going all the way to a federal single-payer health insurance system, with no baby steps leading up to it. (Think about what happens if you seal up a teakettle half full of water and heat it on the stove.)

Right wingers, tea baggers and the proudly ignorant might want to rethink things in the coming weeks. Not that I harbor illusions that they will, of course.

November 9, 2009 at 11:26 AM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Shoot, I think I hit "publish" before filling in my ID. If so, the previous comment, with Pyrrhic victory reference, was mine.

November 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Lisa wrote:"Wait then what do we say to working people about who will be paying for all this funding?"

Lisa, I understand people who oppose elective abortions not wanting their tax money to be used for that purpose. But there are two things about your rant you ought to think seriously about.

First, you make it sound like every third woman in the country is demanding a government-funded abortion as an annual thing throughout her childbearing years. The actual number and cost would be modest compared to almost anything Uncle Sam shells out for.

Second, if those opposed to elective abortions (something I don't favor, BTW) are given veto power over spending federal revenues for that purpose, shouldn't Quakers get veto power over their tax money being used for military spending? And how about people with moral convictions against captial punishment? Shouldn't they get veto power over their tax money being used to help pay the considerable costs of trials, appeals and executions? The list goes on.

November 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Bee, I lost my appetite looking at Hannity and Beck. I think a warning should come first, when Tom wants to scare us like that :)

Lisa, I don't believe in a supernatural, invisible sky daddy, but my taxes fund an office of religious dreck against my wishes. Let me tell you what I found out this weekend shall I? Catholic Bishops, yes those men that dress in gowns and don't get it on, unless they are diddling kids, are co writing legislation because church and state are not separate in this country.

I don't know about you but I don't want ANY religious group having anything to do with government legislation. It will make us as bad as the Saudis and those Taliban groups in short order.

I don't believe my tax money should be going to fund wars, but it does.

Law of the land is that abortion is a LEGAL health care matter. That puts it in, with getting your tonsils out or a tumor IMO.

This will allow for yes, life of woman, rape and incest. There will be exclusions, count on it, if the MEN* that are way too religious and forget, not all their constituents believe in a sky daddy get their say.

*same rider as before, this has nothing to do with progressive and evolved men. This is for the moran that thinks Adam and Eve was the initial beginning for us evel wimmyn.

November 9, 2009 at 12:04 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

lisa, lisa, lisa..... skirting the obvious issues, as always. Believe it or not, one size of talking points does NOT "fit all."

Do me a favor, and at least try to make it interesting. If you're a troll, you need to polish up your act. If you aren't a troll..... I guess we're getting the best you got. And that's sad.

November 9, 2009 at 12:28 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

S.W. don't you know us pro choice women are just chomping at the bit to get pregnant, just so we can put our hand out and go get an abortion? Hell, I am all about just getting pregnant so I can get one scheduled. this way I don't miss out on the handout. All kidding aside, this is what people think the pro choice movement is. We just want to kill babies.

I personally don't like elective abortion for me, but I want to have the choice, not only for myself but the countless other women that may need to use the service.

I went to a pro choice event over the weekend and here is my story. This man, AGAIN a right wing lunatic with his bible and the word of teh lawd. Tells me and some others, we are baby killers and so on. My friend and I turned it right back on him ,to make a blubbering incoherent mess out of him. Want to know what I asked him? I am sure everyone does, because my adventures are never not fun.

Anyway, I asked the guy when he jacks off(pardon, but it's exactly what I asked) does he worry about all those little pre babies he is throwing away. I even went as far as starting to sing the every sperm is sacred song, and some pro choice people joined in. We just kind of watched this guy shrink to about 3 inches because he was outsmarted by little old girls and a couple gay men.

November 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM  
Blogger Holte Ender said...

. . . and God gets quite irate, every sperm is precious . . .

They talk about a government takeover of health care, but they want to take over a women's right to choose. Keep your government, god-fearing hands off our women's wombs.

I thought I had come across ignorance in my life, but the republicans keep showing me more and more.

November 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"but I don't believe we should federally funded abortion unless in cases of rape or incest."

Yo are beginning to sound like a Femanazi

There's hope for you yet


November 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Well Holte, Obama's statement to ABC news might have a little input. He does not like the language of this and it looks like he would prefer the Hyde Amendment. I am okay with that one, I am not ok with the mandates and not being able to use my own money, if I get a plan through the exchange being told what I can spend my money on.

Musical interlude for everyone to enjoy:)

You never go wrong with Python or Mel Brooks quotes EVER.

November 9, 2009 at 3:31 PM  
Blogger Lew Scannon said...

Hey! Don't those Republicans know that exploiting the Holocaust is the sole province of the state of Israel,and Hollywood? They better be careful, it looks like another case of the GOP using someone else's intellectual property!

November 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Jess: There there, don't go worrying your pretty little head about such things :) < / satire >

Bee: If a parent thinks that of his/her children, I would assume this attitude comes across loud and clear, whether it was every verbally stated or not.

JR: "inbrederin" -- LOL.

Demeur: It's even worse than you think with that Franken amendment. From what I understand, it was a Democrat, Inouye (sp?) from Hawaii, who removed that amendment from the defense bill. Apparently he withered under all the pressure from Halliburton and other "defense" contractors. Robert Rouse had a post about it, about a week ago.

SW: I hope you're right about that Pyrrhic victory. I'm guessing that the final Senate-House compromise bill won't have a public option. If that's the case, I do hope this comes back to bite the wingtards.

As far as Lisa's concern about anti-abortion people being forced to finance abortion with their taxes: I like your analogies, but this could be carried even further. Christian Scientists shouldn't have to pay taxes for any kind of medical treatment for anyone, since they themselves don't use anything except prayer. People who use illegal drugs shouldn't have to pay taxes to finance the war on drugs. Etc. It would be nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't.

Jess: Good point about anti-war people paying for war with their tax dollars.

Jess: Funny encounter. I'm glad that guy didn't turn on you. Those people are unpredictable.

Holte: True, every time you think the Right couldn't possibly get any more ignorant, they do.

Erik: Maybe there's hope after all. Stranger things have happened.

Jess: Funny video. I'm guessing that's from "The Meaning of Life." I saw it a long time ago but don't remember much about it.

Lew: If "intellectual" and "Republican" weren't mutually exclusive, the Republicans really would be in danger of a lawsuit for theft of intellectual property.

November 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

LOL, I will let the big menz make all my decisions, it might make my head hurt to make my own ;) Do you know what it took me to just write that? *blech*

As far as Christian Scientists Tom, they will reap some coin in this bill, if Hatch (R-magic underpants wearer) has anything to do with it. He introduced an amendment to give them money. He won't vote for the final bill but he sticks this in there.

The guy bible thumping, has been to all the same area protests or rallies I have been at. This time there were a few big, burly,biker guys there with their girlfriends and one came with his husband. He wouldn't have dared say anything with them there. I usually can hold my own with them though, not bad for a little woman. Hubby was there too, so he wouldn't have let the man anywhere near me to hurt me.

Meaning of Life. Mel Brooks and Python are two of my favorites.

November 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM  
Blogger Ricardo said...

They are trying to push the health care bill into sounding like its an abortion bill and again we have all the wrong arguments over a very basic issue of just getting people an option to have health care if they can't get it.

Yeah this whole Nazi thing and comparisons to the holocaust are indeed beginning to irritate a lot of people at my synagogue. One has nothing to do with the other and it's best the debate be absent of that topic. It cheap, disrespectful and a slap in the face of the survivors. We have one or two in our congregation by the way.

Now there are some conservative Jews who stand by the GOP because they are very pro Israel. But the reality is the fundies in the GOP are using these people because in their minds, Jesus is going to come and give Israel to them and kill all of us Jews. It's all very silly. The majority of Jews do tend to vote liberal. So they are thinning out what little ranks they have left with this nonsense.

The GOP seems to be morphing into some kind of odd extension of a white supremacist group. They'll never go that far but they seem to be making some disturbing overtures to these types and it worries me.

November 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM  
Anonymous Carlos said...

Nothing coming from the Right much surprises me any more. Their lack of decency and general good manners betrays their claims to be "good Christians."

November 10, 2009 at 1:50 AM  
Blogger lisa said...

OK I tried to make a point and it really wasn't about the abortion issue per say.
I was using that issue in response to Tom's post regarding what he said about what group the Republicans will alienate.
Because no matter what, you guys always manage to use that argument that someone is always getting victimized and how politics has been turned into so called "Chess" game that you have to watch yourself at all angles because someone is always in the wings waiting to "catch" you in something.

November 10, 2009 at 6:27 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

Hey, as long as my taxes are going to blow up the next batch of brown folks, the feds can cover whatever they want.

November 10, 2009 at 7:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lisa said

“…Although I wouldn't mind them funding birth control.”

Does that mean so that certain people can’t breed? Or to paraphrase Sarah Palin people who “are not like us”?

You forget there is a federally funded birth control program. It’s called Abstinence, that perfect marriage of church and state where religious leaders go to mostly white schools and get young people to take those pledges to abstain having sex until marriage. Of course it’s also a wonderful time to accept Jesus as your savior.

The Program didn’t work as studies show a massive increase in oral sex (seems Clinton’s definition of sex got around), and as for intercourse, the effect of the program is temporary.

What’s even worse is they carried that act on the road to the rest of the world with the US refusing to supply condoms for Aids prevention because it violated their Abstinence program


November 10, 2009 at 10:11 AM  
Anonymous j said...

"OK I tried to make a point and it really wasn't about the abortion issue per say.
I was using that issue in response to Tom's post regarding what he said about what group the Republicans will alienate".

See below for the second sentence in your initial reply. This is where the conversation led to the health care care bill and abortion funds.

No one anywhere is talking victimization, no one. What we are talking about, is inserting an abortion poison pill into what is a health care bill. This is not about pro choice or anti choice, believe it or not, this is about rights, not just women, but the men who support them in THEIR decisions.

I know I am not alone when I say, I want to make MY decisions when it comes to my own body. Looking at it through the pro life lenses, you would think this would be a good thing in some circles. We will be keeping people alive, in my estimation that is pro life. Or is this only used when it comes to women's reproductive rights, then it goes out the window for everything else? You have to ask yourself this question Lisa. Do you want pro life in some ways and not in others, or are you all in when it comes to life?

This was the statement I was referring to up there.
"Okay let's see the Republicans don't want federally funded abortions. But wait that will alienate women because that means they are sexist..."

November 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

J is me, I forgot to add the rest, I was so excited.

November 10, 2009 at 12:16 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Ricardo: Yup, it figures that abortion would take front and center stage. People who worship fetuses will fight this bill so that thousands of already-born people will continue to die each year from lack of medical care. And the Republicans probably won't even see the irony.

Carlos: True, nothing is too low for the Right to sink to.

Randal: Don't worry, your taxes will always be used for the noblest purpose -- blowing up swarthy people.

Erik: Now don't give up hope yet. Abstinence is still the best method of birth control, but those heathens and liberals in the media are giving it a bad rap because it goes against their pagan beliefs.

God does not wish to provide condoms to protect primitive natives from His Vengeance (AIDS).

< / satire >

Jess: You're right, a poison pill is exactly what this abortion amendment is. Very shrewd (and sleazy) move -- typical Republican tactic.

November 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM  
Blogger Lew Scannon said...

no matter what, you guys always manage to use that argument that someone is always getting victimized
Once again, claiming victimhood is the exclusive province of the rich, white and far right Americans. They claim everything President Obama does, from winning the election to bailing out Wall St is a personal affront to them and take to the streets to complain about government spending while they still support pissing our money away down the sewers in Afghanistan and Iraq.

November 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

Tom, for the sake of accuracy, Bart Stupak, head of the House Democratic Pro Life Caucus, was the one who demanded the anti-abortion amendment. Most Republicans obviously supported it, but Stupak was the prime mover in that episode.

Jess, not that it matters to fundamentalists, I'm sure, but in the absence of masturbation or other sexual outlets, younger males have nocturnal emissions that clear out the passages, so to speak. They're automatic and are nature's way.

Nature also protected families, clans and tribes since ancient times from being burdened — yes, burdenend — with seriously abnormal offspring. The mechanism is spontanous abortions and miscarriages. That's because a few million years ago and up until maybe a hundred years ago, pregnancy was dangerous enough with a normal fetus, and providing normal children enough food, clothing and shelter was plenty tough. Back then, people who lived past their mid-20's were old timers. Few made it past 30. Survival of the family, tribe and species didn't allow for labor-intensive care of special-needs offspring.

So, the notion that every sperm cell or ovum is endowed by God as precious is pure nonsense. To the extent God was interested, He was interested in the species surviving, and set things up to ensure that — not to ensure every sperm cell or ovum would be put to the one "good" use of conception leading to a new human being.

November 10, 2009 at 3:53 PM  

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