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Friday, August 06, 2010

GOP to Rape Victims: “Stop Whining and Give Birth to That Baby! And What Were You Wearing???”

This isn’t part of the official Republican Party platform, of course. But a lot of extremist Republican candidates have said they want to ban ALL abortions, with NO exceptions for rape victims or when a woman’s life is in danger.

Every time a Republican Spanish Inquisitionist spews out this garbage, the outburst gets a brief mention on a liberal news site, and then falls off the public radar. And now Rachel Maddow has tied all of these Republican bilge-spewings into one screaming red flag.

This is another issue the Democrats could be using, in case they’re actually concerned about the November elections.

Rachel Maddow said:

“The Republican Party is, without actually talking about it, this year nominating a group of candidates for top-of-the-ticket races that are more extreme on the issue of abortion than any other slate of top-of-the-ticket candidates in any other year.”

This extreme no-abortion-ever-under-any-circumstances position is held by three senate candidates who call themselves Libertarian: Sharron Angle, Rand Paul and Ken Buck (Colorado). Rightwing schizophrenia strikes again. Government should be small enough that you can drown it in Grover Norquist’s bathtub, AND simultaneously, huge enough to monitor the personal lives of 300 million Americans and make sure that every pregnancy is carried to term. Why aren’t these schizoid sickfucks confined to a mental facility under heavy sedation, instead of being allowed to run for the U.S. Senate?

Or as Maddow puts it, these three:

“…small government conservatives believe that government should be big enough that it can monitor every pregnancy in the country to ensure that every single woman who becomes pregnant is forced by the government to carry that pregnancy to term. ... This is a position that was beyond the pale even in fringe anti-abortion politics not very many years ago, but apparently those days are over.”

She also says:

“They're not trying to run on this as a national issue. I can understand why. But maybe Democrats should be making this a national issue.”

Earth to the Democrats — anybody out there???

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Anonymous Tim said...

Tom, Sharron also said when raped you should make lemonade out of lemons.
Somehow I hope she gets locked up by mistake in a male prison for about a month. See then if she wants any lemonade.

August 6, 2010 at 7:11 PM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

I'm sorry to say most Democrats, at least so far, seem very reluctant to roll up their sleeves and deal with immigration reform, "free" trade and a second round of stimulus that directly creates jobs. Most of them are also unbelievably shy about taking on conservatives/Republicans' ideology head on. Now this.

Disappointing and frustrating as this situation is, we need them now, and they need our support. As we go along, however, I think liberal Democrats had better be more assertive about who gets support and why.

August 6, 2010 at 8:28 PM  
Anonymous Tim said...

Just testing Tom
I've been leaving comments and their not showing up. So pay no attention to this.

August 6, 2010 at 10:19 PM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

What's a liberal Democrat? Is that like a leprechaun or a griffin or Sasquatch?

And the goopers aren't any better. If they were the law n' order, bloodthirsty hardasses they claim to be, they'd come right out and say they want to round up these rape babies and channel that rage of disassociation from family and society into forming well-honed killing machines for the battlefields of the 21st century. Wimps.

August 7, 2010 at 7:29 AM  
Anonymous kate said...

Abortion shouldn't even be a federal government concern. It should, if anything, be a states issue. That way people who believe in abortion can go to a state where they can legally have one, and for those who don't believe in abortion under any circumstances can live happily ever after....wherever. Making light of rape, incest, unwanted pregnancies, or wishing any of those things( even in jest ) on Anyone does not help anyone.

August 7, 2010 at 7:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


How about people that don't want abortions just DON'T have one and leave those that do be?

People who don't drink don't throw a fit every time a bar opens in their neighborhood right?

They know they will never go, and if they are "tempted" perhaps they should look at their own strength of faith rather then blame the bar for opening. Kill the bar and there will still be the supermarket right?

Do Vegetarians commonly assassinate Butchers?

It's called Choice!


August 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM  
Blogger TomCat said...

This is certainly a federal issue, because a woman's right to reproductive freedom falls under the constitutional privacy guarantee.

For the record, I personally believe abortion is a bad choice. However, I also recognize that, at times, all the other choices available are worse. But I do not claim the right to impose my belief on others and do respect the right of women to choose according to their own beliefs, unlike most Republicans.

August 7, 2010 at 10:54 AM  
Anonymous kate said...

Erik, I'm all for that, but since so many people, including conservatives AND liberals, seem to want government to decide for them what is and is not legal, acceptable, constitutional, or whatever, then I would rather have it up to the states rather than the federal government. I'm all for personal choice and responsibility...in almost ALL things.

August 7, 2010 at 11:27 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

@Tim I heard when she said that and as a woman it disgusted me, to think people think like that. As far as the raping in a mle lock up, no, not a cool thing to happen to anyone male or female. She will get hers when voters give her the heave ho in November, hopefully we will never hear from her again.

The republicans are saying with one breath, they want to just talk about jobs and the economy then with God, guns and gays from the teabaggers who are part of the republican base whether or not the repubs want to admit to it. They created this monster, they now need to own it. It's like they are missing one of the 4 horses of the apocalypse.

August 7, 2010 at 11:49 AM  
Anonymous kate said...

If you want the freedom to make your own choices, then you have to be willing to take responsibility for the outcomes and the consequences.

For instance if a lender tells you, don't worry you can afford a $400.000 home even if you only make $50,000/year, you have a choice to go with the lender, knowing full well it's not possible for you to own that home, or you can make the reasonable and responsible choice and go for a less expensive house. If you go for the expensive house and it becomes clear that you indeed cannot afford it, it is up to you to take the consequences and outcomes of the choice you made, not anyone else.

Either you want government telling you what to do/not do and taking care of your unreasonable choices, or you want the freedom to make your own choices without government interference.

As a medical person, I know that some abortions do not turn out as planned. But, your choice...your reponsibility for the outcomes.

August 7, 2010 at 12:01 PM  
Blogger Lew Scannon said...

Funny how all these anti-government types are the first to insert the government into a woman's vagina, which is the last place the government should be, except as an extreme example of how they are trying to f%#@ us.

August 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM  
Anonymous S.W. Anderson said...

I believe abortions merely for the sake of convenience are morally wrong and that those who have an such an abortion could someday be called to account by a higher authority. If asked, I would encourage a woman to have her baby, even if it means giving it up for adoption. Those are my personal beliefs.

Public policy is another matter. All human beings possess an inherent right to autonomy over their own body. Pregnancy is a unique situation, so saying it's murder doesn't settle anything. However wrong many people like Angle believe abortion always is, and however much they want it prohibited, there's that matter of a basic human right of a woman's autonomy in the unique situation of pregnancy. The state has no business violating that right.

As a practical matter, history is clear about the folly of trying to prohibit abortion. All legally prohibiting abortion has ever done is send desperate women to coat-hangar abortionists, too often with fatal results, and cause other tragedies. Prohibition never works. It just makes things worse all around.

Safe, affordable, accessible abortion should be available to any female who decides it's the only answer. At the same time, society and government should do what they can to make supporting and raising a child more affordable and workable for women in difficult circumstances.

August 7, 2010 at 3:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Regarding the house, if I had all information on the mortgage and I decided to go with the more expensive house, then yeah I take
responsibility for the outcome. And that's not barring other factors like lay offs, disabling injuries etc.

But If I was told I could afford the larger house based on their calculations and then found out they hid stuff or the Company wrote the contract in totally contrary then what they told me, then yes I have another Issue.

I expect the Government to protect me from fraudulent practices, I believe there must be an expectation to be honest about things I'm being sold and I resent that just because I don't understand everything because I'm not a Lawyer then I'm screwed. Conservatives seem to say "Tough Shit if you didn't understand it", Liberals say "There should be some expectations of honesty when you are dealing with lawyers and legal documents" because otherwise only lawyers should talk with lawyers right?

In other words we all deal with legal documents on a daily basis. We all have an expectation that they are up front in their explanations and the Document (which is drawn up by their lawyers who are usually specialist in that field) follows that document and is not really in the contrary (no hidden clauses etc.) That's not personal resonsibility as it is fraud!


August 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM  
Anonymous kate said...

point well taken, which is why I stated not all abortions turn out as expected. Then who is responsible? The person making the decision to have the abortion or is the government now responsible for providing for the woman who decided to have the abortion in the first place? And I'm not talking about overt malpractice or negligence on the physician's part. All surgeries come with risks.

August 7, 2010 at 6:40 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

@ Kate, you can have your choice to not have an abortion right, let me have mine if I want to. See that is why it is a choice and not just your choice to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body.

August 7, 2010 at 8:02 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

@Lew, not only interfering in womens lives but what happens in the bedrooms of "teh gheyz" don't forget them. It makes me laugh when I see a winger say, oh I am for personal choice and personal responsibility but come for my Medicare, oh no can't have that. Or telling women they have to give birth like some Handmaid's Tale female. They can bite my ass with their "I am for personal choice" diatribes .

August 7, 2010 at 8:06 PM  
Anonymous Jolly Roger said...

For instance if a lender tells you, don't worry you can afford a $400.000 home even if you only make $50,000/year, you have a choice to go with the lender, knowing full well it's not possible for you to own that home, or you can make the reasonable and responsible choice and go for a less expensive house.

Kate, with all due respect..... this is utter bullshit. The bamboozlers that thought up derivatives deliberately omitted talking about a LOT of things to their clients, things that one would have to have a rock-solid understanding of finance to understand.

This is akin to blaming a sick person for getting sicker because he or she should have known enough medicine to pick the "right" doctor.

August 8, 2010 at 12:54 AM  
Anonymous kate said...

OK, I GET it. First of all, I'm pro choice. I do not think government should stick their noses into a woman's choice to have an abortion, or for gays to get married, etc. But I can see where many of you who post here, want it both ways. You want the freedom to make your own choices AND you want government to protect you from any "bad" choices you may make. I'm not talking about losing a job or being deliberately lied to by unscrupulous "money lenders" just choices that we all have to make in our lives. But I can see that many of you do not agree. So Be It.

August 8, 2010 at 2:45 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

@ Kate. This was your first reply so let me give this the good old colege try answering it at the bottom.
Kate said>>It should, if anything, be a states issue. That way people who believe in abortion can go to a state where they can legally have one, and for those who don't believe in abortion under any circumstances can live happily ever after....wherever.

Jess says: States rights my eye and continues on with her rant.
States rights are what kept people enslaved, till it was said NO we don't do that here we will fix that. Women did not have the vote here, till that was remedied. Abortion and choice were decided because it is the right to privacy for women, who should be treated the same way as men, nationwide. You know, that whole all men are created equal thing in that document we all look fondly on, well most of us do. I think, this blows the whole states rights thing out of the water, personally, because let's face it, there are states that want to take us to Handmaid's Tale territory. As far as all the some want government to do this and then they say this, well all of the politicians do that. Oh and for the record, the topic was rape victims and how certain members of the republican party, want us wimminz making lemonade using sour lemons.
No one is sayin anything about having help making bad choices, regulation is what is needed for those predators that took advantage of people. De regulation does not work, we have seen that over the last few decades with republicans being in power most of those few decades. So yes, we need government intervention for some things that affect the country, sure as hell don't need them in telling me as a woman what I can or cannot do with my body or who I may marry. Those are personal or moral choices, government has no business being in the morality business. We are not the Middle East, where we need virtue and vice police telling us what to do.

August 8, 2010 at 1:34 PM  
Blogger Beekeepers Apprentice said...

It's a good thing we don't still leave the issue of slavery up to the states.

Or inter-racial marriage.

Or Jim Crow laws.

That's what happens when you leave it up to the states. You get a great big FUBAR situation.

August 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

Aw man and I forgot one of the more salient points I had during my rant. I remember it now, so here is my add to my ranting above. So we'll just take the idea of states rights on abortion to a further conclusion. Anyone who wants an abortion, which is a prefectly legal medical decision, can have one in one of the states that you have the right to make that decision. Ooops wait though, I live in California where in my hypothetical world right now, does not allow abortion. Next nearest state to me that does is in Kansas. Why should I have to travel half way across the country for a legal medical procedure? This is where states rights don't work and it falls to the feds to fix that particular law for the whole nation.

We are seeing that right now with marriage equality. In 2008, I had a friend come here from TN, where he is not allowed to be married to the person of his choosing, who happens to be another man. They got married here and guess what, oh yeah in TN they are not considered married, where if I and my husband travel to TN we are considered married because we happen to be a hetero couple, how is that a just situation anywhere? I can tell you it isn't. State rights don't work for everything when we have so many backwards states in the country, who are willing to be put off by what they think is the "ick" factor. Like I said before, morality should not be the basis of any laws, we are not living in biblical times where we follow commandments and many people forget that.

@Bee, Right on baby

August 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM  
Anonymous Tim said...

My Apology's if I offended you or anyone else. In my quest to make a point I stepped over boundaries.
You see at one time in my circle of friends, 8 out of 10 women I knew were all raped. While I don't directly know the pain, I seen theirs.
So I lost my temper when I heard Sharron say that. I'm still angry, Somehow I want her to know that pain so that she doesn't mess up anyone's life with her nonsense.

August 8, 2010 at 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Jess said...

@ Tim, no apology needed, I knew what you meant, you wanted her to suffer the way these young women would suffer having to be baby carriers unwillingly. I think sometimes we just forget, that the revenge we might like, in some instances is just not justified, even though we want that person to feel the same pain they are making light of. Hope that made sense in words, it makes sense in my head. Rape is one of them because that isn't just about sex, it's about control and power over another person whether they are male or female.
Sorry to hear about your friends, it is the one crime that the victims never get over, for the most part, it's always there with them.

August 8, 2010 at 7:17 PM  

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